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The Internationalist



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Best option if Korea falls through? Reply with quote

So I need to have a plan B if Korea doesnt come through within the next month. (worried about an issue coming up from pulling a midnight run and dipping out on some bills ect)

So I am wondering where would be my next best option. Needs to be a place where I can save atleast 500 a month (more the better).

I have a non related University degree. No TEFOL cert but I suppose I could get one online if I had to.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Best option if Korea falls through? Reply with quote

The Internationalist wrote:
So I need to have a plan B if Korea doesnt come through within the next month. (worried about an issue coming up from pulling a midnight run and dipping out on some bills ect)

So I am wondering where would be my next best option. Needs to be a place where I can save atleast 500 a month (more the better).

I have a non related University degree. No TEFOL cert but I suppose I could get one online if I had to.


Easiest place to get work would be China. An on on-line TEFL course would suffice for visa purposes.

Next on the list would be Taiwan. It is a boots on the ground thing but the money at the end of the day, if you are any good, is comparable to Korea.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the savings were not much if any in China?

Also what about Vietnam?

The CELTA program in Thailand where you get a job paying 1k for 6 months after seems interesting.
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Qaaolchoura



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Internationalist wrote:
I thought the savings were not much if any in China?

I have a friend who made 20+ dollars/hour in China back in 2009, working illegally, part-time in Changsha on a student visa, with no qualifications whatsoever. (Though he did have fake quals; they just didn't check. He made up a degree from a prestigious American college, and not knowing about TESOL claimed instead of a cert to have experience teaching English to underprivileged immigrants.) The China forums seem to indicate that the way to find a good job is to go there in person. I've considered it a good many times, but the risks have always seemed to great to me, since I'm frankly not a great negotiator. Not to mention the Great Firewall.

The Internationalist wrote:
Also what about Vietnam?

Both before and after I Korea I applied for jobs in Vietnam. I do have a recognized, in-person TESOL cert. The only one that responded told me I wasn't being considered since they had other candidates who were much better qualified. The rest didn't bother. From reading the Vietnam forums that's pretty standard; you need an MA, a good deal of experience, and/or boots on the ground to get hired there.

The Internationalist wrote:
The CELTA program in Thailand where you get a job paying 1k for 6 months after seems interesting.

"Interesting" is likely to be a good word for it. Get your CELTA/TESOL cert from and your employment separately. You definitely want some control over where you'll end up working, and you'll probably want a certificate which doesn't amount to in-house training.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qaaolchoura wrote:
The Internationalist wrote:
I thought the savings were not much if any in China?

I have a friend who made 20+ dollars/hour in China back in 2009, working illegally, part-time in Changsha on a student visa, with no qualifications whatsoever. (Though he did have fake quals; they just didn't check. He made up a degree from a prestigious American college, and not knowing about TESOL claimed instead of a cert to have experience teaching English to underprivileged immigrants.) The China forums seem to indicate that the way to find a good job is to go there in person. I've considered it a good many times, but the risks have always seemed to great to me, since I'm frankly not a great negotiator. Not to mention the Great Firewall.

The Internationalist wrote:
Also what about Vietnam?

Both before and after I Korea I applied for jobs in Vietnam. I do have a recognized, in-person TESOL cert. The only one that responded told me I wasn't being considered since they had other candidates who were much better qualified. The rest didn't bother. From reading the Vietnam forums that's pretty standard; you need an MA, a good deal of experience, and/or boots on the ground to get hired there.

The Internationalist wrote:
The CELTA program in Thailand where you get a job paying 1k for 6 months after seems interesting.

"Interesting" is likely to be a good word for it. Get your CELTA/TESOL cert from and your employment separately. You definitely want some control over where you'll end up working, and you'll probably want a certificate which doesn't amount to in-house training.

Regards,
~Q


To work legally in China you have to apply for the visa outside of the country, so if you did go to China and find a job you would have to leave to apply for the visa. That is if you're working legally. Recently there has been a lot of talk about the government making you apply from your home country (previously people used to do a 'H.K. run'.

China's a definite option, I always say China's what you make of it. Jobs are definitely varied. If you have the right business acumen you can make a lot of money.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To followup on what I posted earlier.

ANYONE who can get an E2 in Korea can do well anywhere else in Asia.

IF you take a job in China at 3500-4500 rmb then you get what you deserve.
If somebody has a degree, a TEFL cert and a modicum of common sense then 10-15k rmb is certainly possible (even outside of Beijing and Shanghai).
It is like Korea was 10-15 years ago - very much the wild west of the east.

Vietnam is OK. $2000 is certainly achievable for those with a degree and TEFL cert. Best opportunities are found on the ground.

Thailand - fresh off the plane you can get 35k thb in a legal job (visa and work permit) with just your degree. $1000 / month is NOTHING SPECIAL.

Land and add a real CELTA (not just a generic TEFL cert), look around for a few days and 40-50k ($1300-1600) are realistic. Stick around for a while and don't get too badly distracted by the bright lights and distractions of BKK and learn the lay of the land. 60k+ ($2000) is not uncommon and more is certainly possible if you show a little initiative.

Boots on the ground and Taiwan can be similar to Korea in terms of job and remuneration. The only real problem is finding full-time work rather than a series of part-time buxiban jobs to make it all up. This is less of an issue for those with a clean CBC and a degree (since a proper visa is possible) and employers are more likely to take you on full-time.

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Shroob



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
To followup on what I posted earlier.

ANYONE who can get an E2 in Korea can do well anywhere else in Asia.

IF you take a job in China at 3500-4500 rmb then you get what you deserve.
If somebody has a degree, a TEFL cert and a modicum of common sense then 10-15k rmb is certainly possible (even outside of Beijing and Shanghai).
It is like Korea was 10-15 years ago - very much the wild west of the east.

Vietnam is OK. $2000 is certainly achievable for those with a degree and TEFL cert. Best opportunities are found on the ground.

Thailand - fresh off the plane you can get 35k thb in a legal job (visa and work permit) with just your degree. $1000 / month is NOTHING SPECIAL.

Land and add a real CELTA (not just a generic TEFL cert), look around for a few days and 40-50k ($1300-1600) are realistic. Stick around for a while and don't get too badly distracted by the bright lights and distractions of BKK and learn the lay of the land. 60k+ ($2000) is not uncommon and more is certainly possible if you show a little initiative.

Boots on the ground and Taiwan can be similar to Korea in terms of job and remuneration. The only real problem is finding full-time work rather than a series of part-time buxiban jobs to make it all up. This is less of an issue for those with a clean CBC and a degree (since a proper visa is possible) and employers are more likely to take you on full-time.

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Just to add to the point in bold, if that's ALL you earn then yes, I agree. However, I accepted a position that pays within these boundaries, but is that ALL I earn? Certainly not. The position's useful as it gives me a free house, no utilities, almost half a year of paid holiday, low work hours, visas/paperwork and other benefits. So I wouldn't necessarily turn down a position that pays less than 4,500RMB. Like I said before, China's what you make of it. The opportunities are there.
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