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Alexus22



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: Security deposit asked by employer? Reply with quote

I got a job offer but I found this in the contract:

http://i48.tinypic.com/sz7nkx.jpg

Scam or not? I read that it was now illegal for employers to demand this.
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chinatimes



Joined: 27 May 2012
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definitely wouldn't agree to this. I don't think it's illegal if both agree.

Why not just go to China and then sign a contract?
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Alexus22



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinatimes wrote:
Why not just go to China and then sign a contract?


I'm not going anywhere without a decent job offer that I can trust. This one sounds dodgy as hell. Also the contract mentions 3500 "basic pay" and 7000 "lecture renumeration" for not more than 18 hours a week of lectures. It also mentions up to 50 "trainees" per class which sounds a bit high. Is this stuff normal?
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a really bad deal.
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Alexus22



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as I suspected, thanks.
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stay clear. If in doubt, back out.

On another note, 50 students per class is on the high side, but not that unusual in China. I normally have a class of 30. Though on one occasion it's gone has high as 54.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must be ABC English School.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow it's already been said but dam that is a bad contract.

it might just be an out right scam to take money from china hopefuls.
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are asking YOU to send THEM money BEFORE you come to China?

it could be worse - they could be selling shares in their first aircraft carrier
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Alexus22



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously I'm not taking that one. Laughing

I just got another offer from something called "Heidi English Language Training School", the contract is worded very similarly to the last one but there's no mention of a security deposit. This one only pays 7000 for a maximum of 110 teaching hours a month. That doesn't sound too good either. What do you think?

I really don't want to work for less than 10,000.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not good. WAY too many hours for the money.
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can tell you that anything more than 4 hours a day will tire you and burn you out quickly.
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Alexus22



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today I got another offer paying 10k a month including accommodation, up to 22 periods a week of 45 minutes. It's up in Inner Mongolia in a place called Ordos City. Sounds like the kind of place they'd send Chinese political dissidents. Laughing

Btw regarding the criminal record check, is a Basic Disclosure check in the UK sufficient for that?
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Btw regarding the criminal record check, is a Basic Disclosure check in the UK sufficient for that?


Who is stating you need a background check? I only know of Korea requiring that.
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinatimes wrote:
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Btw regarding the criminal record check, is a Basic Disclosure check in the UK sufficient for that?


Who is stating you need a background check? I only know of Korea requiring that.


I've read that Inner Mongolia requires it. But yes, for the most part, it isn't a requirement in China.
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