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advantages vs. disadvantages of working on a business visa

 
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Sirens of Cyprus



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:38 am    Post subject: advantages vs. disadvantages of working on a business visa Reply with quote

What are the disadvantages besides no bank account?
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wantok



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your own professional integrity.

'Nuff said. Thread ends here.
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lcanupp1964



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, ha, ha. Laughing Ok, that last comment made me laugh out loud.

With respect to the OP, the question you asked is the most answered one within the KSA forum. Just a little search will uncover a wealth of information. In short, I would only come over here on a business visa if I was very, very desperate for a job (my house is going to be taken away if I donít get a job in the next two weeks, for example) AND I was only going to stay one year (or less). Just keep in mind that it is against the law to work on a business visa. Very Happy
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do a search on this forum. After that, if you still want to take the risk of being an illegal immigrant - go ahead.
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Sirens of Cyprus



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the question has been asked and answered. I have read various posts on the topic over the years. I am just short of time and I was hoping some knowledgeable person with nothing better to do could summarize the received wisdom. One specific question: with a business visa is it easier to keep your passport and make a hasty exit?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Youy have to answer these questions yourself - just like an adult.
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wantok



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today's Fast Fact: Quality of escape ease is not an issue dictated by passport. No matter what type of visa, you keep in your clenched fist the passport which is not "yours" but was issued to you not for ownership but for custodianship. It's the official property of the current government representing the front cover. UN Conventions!!!!!

Memorize that! There will be a test. In Applied Integrity 101.

It is the visa type that dictates the quality of ease with which an employee may exit.

Do as advised. Search. Or just flip through past threads.

'Nuff said.

T.H.R.E.A.D. E.N.D.S. H.E.R.E.
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Valaki



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sirens of Cyprus wrote:
I know the question has been asked and answered. I have read various posts on the topic over the years. I am just short of time and I was hoping some knowledgeable person with nothing better to do could summarize the received wisdom. One specific question: with a business visa is it easier to keep your passport and make a hasty exit?


The answer to your question is yes.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sirens of Cyprus wrote:
One specific question: with a business visa is it easier to keep your passport and make a hasty exit?

Yes and no. Two of my friends submitted their passports for business visa renewal and their documents were subsequently "lost" for some time while in the possession of the contracting company. And on one of the threads for PNU, a poster stated that business visit visa holders are "required" to turn in their passports to the contractor while iqama holders may keep theirs. Perhaps some of these cheesy contractors are beginning to figure out how to keep biz visit visa holders from running off. Pretty underhanded, I'd say.
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a business visit visa the process of getting here is a lot faster and a lot easier. A lot less stuff you have to do.

Once you arrive you will probably be staying with your company and depend of them for housing, transportation. It's not easy to rent without a iqama, but people do it.

If you're planning to stay for more than a year, I'd hold out for an iqama. It makes it a lot easier overall.

If you just want to come and stack for a year I'd suggest the business visit visa. Everyone says it's illegal but no one cites examples of people deported for working on one
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
With a business visit visa the process of getting here is a lot faster and a lot easier. A lot less stuff you have to do.

Once you arrive you will probably be staying with your company and depend of them for housing, transportation. It's not easy to rent without a iqama, but people do it.

If you're planning to stay for more than a year, I'd hold out for an iqama. It makes it a lot easier overall.

If you just want to come and stack for a year I'd suggest the business visit visa. Everyone says it's illegal but no one cites examples of people deported for working on one


Judging by the number of disgruntled business visa holders posting on dave's, suggests to me, they need not worry much about being deported because they will most likely end up doing a runner instead or just get tired of the abuse and quit on their own, after they have been screwed over by their employer...
There are just too many horror stories posted on this forum to suggest all will be well coming on a business visa. You do so at your own risk.

Let's hear some of these satisfied teachers on business visas more often, then perhaps ...people might think otherwise? Cool
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wantok



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://tribune.com.pk/story/96679/illegal-stay-110-pakistanis-deported-from-saudi-arabia/

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/saudi-arabia-deports-30-000-indian-expats-each-year-342675.html

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.ca/2008/10/visit-visa-renewal.html

http://www.the-saudi.net/business-center/iqama_violations.htm

http://chrisguillebeau.com/3x5/getting-to-saudi-arabia/

http://patnubay.com/articles/03.V-Team-Kingdom-of-Saudi-Arabia-on-Migration-Detention-and-Deportation.pdf

http://www.worldtravelguide.com/travel-essentials/travel-visa-application-requirements-saudi-arabia.html

http://www.expat-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=195144

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7810846-saudi-arabia-deportation-guidelines-for-overstaying-aliens-with-expired-umrah-hajj-or-visitors-visas-and-seeking-deportation

http://www.ofwguide.com/article_item-1468/Amnesty-and-Deportation-Guidelines-For-Overstaying-Visitors-in-Saudi-Arabia.html

http://livinginsaudiarabia.org/68/saudi-arabia-business-visa/

http://www.bakermckenzie.com/files/Uploads/Documents/Global%20Employment/Global%20Mobility%202011/bk_globalmobilityhandbook2011_saudiarabia.pdf

http://wikitravel.org/en/Saudi_Arabia

http://www.expat-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=80150

http://www.saudiembassy.net/files/PDF/VisaApp.pdf

http://livinginsaudiarabia.org/67/saudi-arabia-work-visa/

http://www.expat-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=131110

http://community.justlanded.com/en/Saudi-Arabia/forum/Good-news-for-people-leaving

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.ca/2008/09/final-exit-procedure-in-saudi-arabia.html

http://leanman.hubpages.com/hub/Expat-Living-and-Working-in-Saudi-Arabia-Working-for-a-Company-in-Saudi-Arabia

http://www.moi.gov.sa/wps/portal/passports/!ut/p/b1/jY_LDoIwEEW_xS_oDG2hLEsR2kQQ0ojSjWFBDIbHxvj9iuISdXY3OWfuDHGkDkF4iAHzyYm4sbl3l-bWTWPTz9n5Z64KZURGMVVMgWFYgVWcajsL9ROIALZhhBKEzgCMLivvkFWm2OF_PqyMhF--bUdyJO6FpXllaaopQogBmBIN0zKiAvkCwN7LYiyVTKDULOah_hQtwLc_3hvWD831NLRkcH0irLkyudk8AI1e6qQ!/dl4/d5/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SmtFL1o2X0dOVlMzR0gzMU9WNTMwSVExUURRU0IyT0c0/?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/Passports/Passports/Main/Violations+_+Penalties/

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/hundreds-in-saudi-arabia-hope-to-be-arrested

http://community.justlanded.com/en/Saudi-Arabia/forum/Visit-Visa-extension

http://www.moveoneinc.com/blog/immigration/ensaudi-arabia-curiosity-sixmonth-amnesty-illegal-immigrants-saudi-arabia/

http://www.zawya.com/marketing.cfm?zp&p=/story/Saudi_Arabia_Deportation_gulps_huge_sums_in_public_money-ZAWYA20121003042030/

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=2008083115937

http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=438

http://saudiarabiatravels.blogspot.ca/2009/07/more-about-visa.html

http://moia.gov.in/writereaddata/pdf/advisory_25112010_English.pdf

http://www.arabnews.com/visa-violators-face-punitive-action

http://www.arabnews.com/node/316998

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090613080337AA2sZ4e

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.ca/2008/10/tips-for-business-visitors-to-saudi.html

http://leanman.hubpages.com/hub/Saudi-Arabia-Visa

http://www.rappler.com/world/12212-s...visa-violators

http://www.saudilife.net/expat-qa/view/240-my-finger-prints-are-black-listed-in-saudi-arabia-now-can-i-enter-in-any-other-gulf-countries

http://www.migrant-rights.org/2010/05/06/saudi-sponsors-punish-their-workers-by-declaring-them-as-runaways/

KSA visa applicants must attach their signature to
1. If granted the visa, I shall abide by all the laws and regulations of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and respect the Islamic customs and traditions of its people;...

Your signature = your integrity. Were I a recruiter perusing your cv for a posting outside of KSA, your inclusion of KSA experience on your cv would seriously disadvantage you, even without examining your passport.
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wantok, which of those pertains to a western teacher in Saudi Arabia on a valid business visit visa who was deported or punished in some way for working?

I'm not saying it has never happened, just that I haven't personally heard of any examples. And again, I'm pro iqama and anti-visit visa and would not come here on a visit visa.

Also, I just remembered. Some companies are even bringing families on visit visas, who would have thought?
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