View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
72308
Joined: 01 Sep 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Tokyo, Japan
|
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: Noterized Degree Certificate |
|
|
Random question, does anyone know why ECC require a noterized copy of my degree certicate (which costs somewhere between �80 - �150 to have done) and AEON just take a quick glance at it in the interview and then never ask to see it again? I'm assuming they go though the same process to get the CofE, so any guesses? I'm not about to argue with ECC about their application process, I'm just interested to know if anyone knows why?
Thanks in advance. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
|
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:00 am Post subject: Re: Noterized Degree Certificate |
|
|
UK? Any solicitor can notarize it. If it's the family solicitor they should do it for free. Most others will charge a minimal fee IME. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
|
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
I can think of a few reasons why they might want a notarized copy after they've offered you the job, but not at the interview! I wonder whether there's somebody in AEON's offices instructing people to bring notarized copies without actually understanding what it means? You should mention it to them at some point.
By the way, did you check the cost of getting a duplicate degree certificate from your university? It might have been cheaper than notarization! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
|
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
Pitarou wrote: |
I wonder whether there's somebody in AEON's offices instructing people to bring notarized copies without actually understanding what it means? |
Odds on favourite it's an American somewhere in the HR lineup making that call. The Japanese don't tend to know about notarization in the same sense, and Americans don't tend to realize how much trouble/expense can be involved in what is a quite different legal process outside the US. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Abdullah the Enforcer
Joined: 26 Aug 2012 Posts: 42 Location: In a hole
|
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
G Cthulhu wrote: |
Pitarou wrote: |
I wonder whether there's somebody in AEON's offices instructing people to bring notarized copies without actually understanding what it means? |
Odds on favourite it's an American somewhere in the HR lineup making that call. The Japanese don't tend to know about notarization in the same sense, and Americans don't tend to realize how much trouble/expense can be involved in what is a quite different legal process outside the US. |
Abdullah sees that poster is way, way off course!
Last edited by Abdullah the Enforcer on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
|
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Noterized Degree Certificate |
|
|
G Cthulhu wrote: |
UK? Any solicitor can notarize it. If it's the family solicitor they should do it for free. Most others will charge a minimal fee IME. |
Any solicitor in the UK can certify a copy, but the vast majority cannot notarise anything, only a notary can. Some notaries are solicitors, many aren't. Any solicitor can arrange for documents to be notarised, but they will have to take them to a notary on your behalf. That usually just means you end up paying the solicitor's fee and the notary's fee.
If you have a good relationship with a solicitor you may be able to get a certified copy done cheaply, but it would be extremely unusual to get a document notarised free of charge.
Last edited by HLJHLJ on Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:16 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ZennoSaji
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 87 Location: Mito, Ibaraki
|
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
G Cthulhu wrote: |
Pitarou wrote: |
I wonder whether there's somebody in AEON's offices instructing people to bring notarized copies without actually understanding what it means? |
Odds on favourite it's an American somewhere in the HR lineup making that call. The Japanese don't tend to know about notarization in the same sense, and Americans don't tend to realize how much trouble/expense can be involved in what is a quite different legal process outside the US. |
I'd second that theory. Notaries are $10 a signature here. Naturally, my jaw hit the floor when I saw the OP's quotes. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
72308
Joined: 01 Sep 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Tokyo, Japan
|
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks guys, that's kinda what I thought - the American guy doing the interview couldn't believe that I'd never heard of a Notary and seemed to be under the impression that it was an easy thing to get done. I quickly realised when I looked up Notaries in the UK that I picked the wrong career - for complex cases they charge �200+ PER HOUR. I've opted to get a 'certified copy' done via the Post Office (which cost �7.50) and I'm hoping the impressive-looking Post Office stamp will suffice. If not, they can have my original and I'll just pay my Uni �20 for a new one |
|
Back to top |
|
|
stumptowny
Joined: 29 May 2011 Posts: 310
|
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
72308 wrote: |
Thanks guys, that's kinda what I thought - the American guy doing the interview couldn't believe that I'd never heard of a Notary and seemed to be under the impression that it was an easy thing to get done. I quickly realised when I looked up Notaries in the UK that I picked the wrong career - for complex cases they charge �200+ PER HOUR. I've opted to get a 'certified copy' done via the Post Office (which cost �7.50) and I'm hoping the impressive-looking Post Office stamp will suffice. If not, they can have my original and I'll just pay my Uni �20 for a new one |
I'd be gone by now. when I read your topic, i thought you mis-posted in the wrong country. i have never heard of anyone asking for notarized docs in japan. it's a korea thing.. but AEON is crap for vacation. little vacation. I would get with shane. they offer the most vacation for eikaiwa's.. maybe you are entering at a higher level, hence they are requesting this? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
|
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
IIRC most of the ECC eikaiwa recruiters are Canadians, although they have very little control over the details of the process - Japanese staff pretty much set the requirements. This is actually pretty obvious as, in many places in the US, a notary can't certify copies of documents. The only time I (or anyone else I know) has used a notary is to verify the person signing a document.
ECC really wants a certified copy or the original of your degree. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
|
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Maybe the American doing the interview simply didn't understand the difference between a notarized document and a certified document and just used the word they were used to?
Either way, the end result is to give them a certified copy and let them have at it. The embassy won't care and the employer shouldn't be relying on notarized documents for anything.
I've actually had the opposite extreme here in the US where someone showed up with documents with an Apostille attached and a clerk rejecting them, stating that "they had to be notarized." They had no clue whatsoever what an Apostille was. Retard. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
|
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
G Cthulhu wrote: |
I've actually had the opposite extreme here in the US where someone showed up with documents with an Apostille attached and a clerk rejecting them, stating that "they had to be notarized." They had no clue whatsoever what an Apostille was. Retard. |
Hey! I'd never heard of an apostille until I read this just now. Don't call me a retard. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
|
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
Pitarou wrote: |
Hey! I'd never heard of an apostille until I read this just now. Don't call me a retard. |
I wouldn't. And remember, unless it's your job to handle documents and process them according to law, there's no particular reason you would need to know about apostille attestation. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
|
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
In the US a document with an apostille must have first been notarized (or stamped and signed by the government agency). |
|
Back to top |
|
|
G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
|
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
Inflames wrote: |
In the US a document with an apostille must have first been notarized (or stamped and signed by the government agency). |
How utterly, utterly pointless. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|