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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coledavis wrote:
There are two uses of 'going to', one specific to travel and one is the future tense (going to referring to planned action).

I'm not sure that is helpful here. (There's been some confusion already). If I understand it correctly, the "going to" (note the scare quotes) by itself and specific to travel ("here-and-now", or possibly future), e.g. I'm going to the cinema/Italy/Tesco's, is Present continuous, full stop. The other form, also yet really only regarding the future (intentions, about-to happen things, etc), is probably best thought of as a separate and certainly longer form i.e. the actual 'be going to (do sthg)' form, and is similar to 'be about to-V' or 'be due to-V'.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear coledavis,

When you wrote " . . . one specific to travel . . . " did you mean something like this:

A: Where are you going now?

B: I'm going to the mall

of course, the difference would be that sentence uses the preposition "to" rather than the infinitive "to"

Which can be a problem when you're using a word that's used about equally as either a noun or a verb

I'm going to work; he's going to sleep.

Reminds me of an "epic" discussion over on the Teacher Discussion forums once:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/teacher/viewtopic.php?t=5853&highlight=deflatado
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear fluffyhamster,

You're got quite a memory. Very Happy

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note how I slip in silly words that may aid later recall~searches. Just my tip of the week. Laughing Wink

Edit: Wow, I've only just realized quite how much "discussion" there is between the first posts of that thread and the arguable highlight of 'deflatado'. A thread truly for insomniacs only, then!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair do's, John Slat. I'm getting rusty. Although the first phrase is another argument in favour of retaining apostrophes; although incorrect for plurals in general, this functionally separates the doers from the managers (dur, something like that anyway).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair do's?

Fair dues?

Fair deuce!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fluffy, that was indeed an epic, nay! a titanic thread! I wish I had been there then to argue the toss.

What other points can we find to have a good old verbal jousting session about? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking of the question, does anyone know a fair DOS?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was thinking of the question, does anyone know a fair DOS?


I reckon all of us who are or have been DOSs do Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair do's.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gadzooks, man!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
What other points can we find to have a good old verbal jousting session about? Very Happy

On the TD forums there are at least 3 threads that discuss especially didn't use(d) to, including a mammoth 10-pager in which I again had to defend my tentative choice of exemplar forms. You can find links to that 10-pager and the other thread in the following, which is the third and last "major" thread discussing the points:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/teacher/viewtopic.php?t=9786
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the TD forums there are at least 3 threads that discuss especially didn't use(d) to, including a mammoth 10-pager in which I again had to defend my tentative choice of exemplar forms. You can find links to that 10-pager and the other thread in the following, which is the third and last "major" thread discussing the points



Fluffy, trying to beat that dead horse further would be utterly depressing. I mean, there's already nothing left of him other than a greasey, blood-stained little spot in the dirt anyway!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, I agree that that particular nag seems pretty finished, done and dusted there, Spiral. Still, if we could find contested points of usage similar to didn't use(d) to, we could start up a good discussion here on the JD forums. But such discussions crop up naturally enough from time to time (perhaps just not often enough for Sasha now though, is all!).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about just arguing over nothing?
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