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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's always fine with me! Very Happy Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we're already doing that....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, actually, Spiral, you're wrong there. And so is Fluffy!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case the poor OP ever returns....

back to present simple for habits:
Fluffy, Sasha, me, and others argue about something most every week.

(not 'are arguing' as that implies a never-ending continuous process - oh, wait!!! perhaps we've hit upon the exception that proves the rule in this case)

So long as we can have an argument that doesn't involve re-reading ten pages of some outdated thread, I'm game Laughing Cool


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm game? I really must object to the use of that phrase. It doesn't feature in my language experience, therefore it is self-evidently wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I speculate that it's related to American football. Implied extended meaning "I'm in the game." You don't have to clearly understand its mechanics or adopt the phrase, Sash, only to understand it. Oh, wait, that's ANOTHER thread:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=99280
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ach! Me? I!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Fluffy, Sasha, me, and others argue about something most every week


Fluffy, Sasha, I, and others...

yes, I agree - and why??

A wonderful question for an EFL application Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends, doesn't it? If we take that view that all three of the people mentioned are subjects of the verb, then 'I' should be used. But if you feel that the three could be collectivised into one single 'we', then it really doesn't matter, hic!

Collectivise all the pronouns! Never more to be subjects, of themselves or of Piggies! Objectification rules!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aww, be fair Spiral, at least the first thread I linked to touched upon something John had raised.

I'd be wary by the way Professor Lewis of saying "never-ending" in relation to continuous aspect, even if in the abstract, or indeed in the context of us arguing, it may seem as if its actual duration will never end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMBHZWe2S8&feature=relmfu
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were those two history profs TEFL teachers in their youth?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again,

This seems to have gone a little off topic ...

I am still confused ....

The instructions state:

Correct the following typical mistakes; explain the mistake in terms of grammar.

3. I’m going to the cinema every Thursday.
Correction: I go to the cinema every Thursday.
Explanation: Present simple tense is used in relation to habits. The 1st statement uses present continuous, this is incorrect as although the action is not complete, its a repeated action so present simple tense is the one that should be used.

I don't think I am explaining this particularly well.

2. I am liking this course.
Correction: I like this course.
Explanation: The verb “like” is non-continuous.

I have 11 of these to do and I am still struggling to explain the corrections.

Aug
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For 3, I'd explain it something like this: Present simple tense should be used to express to regular routines, that have and will always "run like clockwork" (without the need for any extra context and until further notice). Present progressive on the other hand expresses much more temporary situations or arrangements, and should not be used unless such extra context (e.g. the addition of 'until my DVD player is fixed') is to be implied or stated. (Compare: ?/*I go to the cinema every Thursday until my DVD player is fixed). Admittedly that's a bit wordy, but it's what I'm thinking LOL. Note also the '(limited) duration' in the following definition: http://folk.uio.no/hhasselg/terms.html#progressive

Your explanation for 2 is short but reasonably sweet. 'Like' and similar verbs aren't usually used in the progressive, regardless of McDonald's well-known slogan and the, er, like. I mean, how many times does one need to try something before deciding one simply likes it? Liking (=gerund? LOL) something is thus a decision and state that one has to sooner or later arrive at and hold somewhat firm to, rather than an indeterminate process that one is somehow still engaged~engaging in "for the duration" (however long that might be). Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your help!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster wrote:
I'd assume they're asking you to relate how awful your French or Spanish or whatever language classes were when you were a schoolkid, and how much better Communicative Language Teaching or whatever your potential employer is pushing (the former of which you'll learn something about during the CELTA course) is compared to that.

Of course, if you('ve) actually manage(d) to learn a foreign language to a non-trivial level, whether by yourself or in classes somewhere, you could possibly tell them about that too, and what worked or seems to work for you, but try not to sound too much like e.g. a grammar freak (what with all the book recommendations in your other thread! Wink).


I'm concerned that I am criticising the method that I was taught by, I had a very bad experience with learning a language - rough school, bad teaching and a serious lack of interest in learning fancy languages....
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