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Negative things about Vietnam
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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject: Negative things about Vietnam Reply with quote

I just couldn't resist it.

I am in Hanoi and I just find it really difficult to walk around, anywhere. I would love a sidewalk or pavement to walk on.

How an answer to a question I ask cannot be answered directly, I always have to dance around the issue, and I still walk away with more questions.
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isabel



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many whinging westerners?
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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:41 am    Post subject: More... Reply with quote

Not being able to take a book AWAY from a library (national lib. in Hanoi), you have to read it there - I wanted to read a book on, 'Vietnam: cultural relativism in an authoritarian state'.
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I have to post on this, since I posted on the positive one.

- the noise.
- being asked if I want something all the time.
- the customer service - there often seems to be no middle ground between not acknowledging you exist or breathing down your neck all the way round the shop.
- the noise.
- lack of decent music/clubs.
- unreliable products - for every massive bargain you get, you'll buy something that falls apart as soon as you get it home.
- the noise.
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isabel



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isabel wrote:
Too many whinging westerners?
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emmett grogan



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Motorbike? Where you go?" every 30 seconds.
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isabel



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emmett grogan wrote:
"Motorbike? Where you go?" every 30 seconds.


Ever tried to get a cab in Manhattan? Be grateful.
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kurtz



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isabel wrote:
isabel wrote:
Too many whinging westerners?


Rolling Eyes
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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: the self hatred among westerners is remarkable Reply with quote

here we are, we should be at least interested to see each other and chat, if not automatic friends. Instead, I find the natives are far more friendly to the westerners than our own fellow expats. Seems many of us enjoy the adulation so much that we wish it would never be shared with other westerners, and so we always are looking for a reason to not like each other and wish we were the only westerner in the nation.

I guess I can understand that, but cannot really understand why we would then come on a board for expats and demonstrate this self hatred. Seems to me if you did not like your own people, you would just stay away from them.
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skarper



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one would appreciate a circle of westerner friends to chat with and occasionally have a drink.

But given the downright creepy nature of some expats prowling SEASIA I'm very reticent about making casual contacts with passing foreigners. I'm also busy and value my privacy. I think this is natural among expats who've lived a while in Vietnam - if they were outgoing mixer types they'd have left long ago.
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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:35 am    Post subject: Yep Reply with quote

What Mark and Skarper, wrote
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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I think this is natural among expats who've lived a while in Vietnam - if they were outgoing mixer types they'd have left long ago.


I dunno, I know that to do this work properly and to really enjoy it, the best outcomes are achieved by being quite outgoing and mixing with the people, thought not necessarily with the westerners you know (still do not really understand why we have to show dislike towards each other though). I was just at a Christmas party with some college students and it was a very enjoyable experience, I could go years in the west and not share as much happiness in those years as some of these VN share with me in one day.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like how so many VN men are cowards, pure and simple. They will provoke a fight, but as soon as they realize they are about to get beat down they either call on their buddies for help (they like that 10-1 mentality) or they pull a knife... Shocked
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Tigerstyleone



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's corruption.
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isabel



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the joy with Christmas MOD EDIT

I enjoy so much about Vietnam. I really like westerners who take it in stride. I do have a good time with both westerners and Vietnamese who are not either naive nor cynical about things here- but find Vietnam worth the effort.

I look forward to Tet. Great fun.
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