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isabel

Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 479 Location: God's green earth
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:04 am Post subject: |
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This is indeed a festive time of the year. December 21st is the winter solstice, and is recognized as a special time by most peoples. It marks the true turning of the year- in the Northern hemisphere, it means the slow return of the sun. In the far north this is especially welcome.
No one knows, especially the Bible, the date of Jesus' birth. At that time, birthdays weren't celebrated. By the way, the Prophet Mohammad's birthday is marked, but very little celebrated, and not at all in Saudi Arabia. Funnily enough, The Buddha's birthday is widely celebrated.
Why is Jesus's birthday now 25 December?
Here is one explanation: "December 25th might have also been chosen because the Winter Solstice and the ancient pagan Roman midwinter festivals called 'Saturnalia' and 'Dies Natalis Solis Invicti' took place in December around this date - so it was a time when people already celebrated things.
The Winter Solstice is the day where there is the shortest time between the sun rising and the sun setting. It happens on December 21st or 22nd. To pagans this meant that the winter was over and spring was coming and they had a festival to celebrate it and worshipped the sun for winning over the darkness of winter. In Scandinavia, and some other parts of northern Europe, the Winter Solstice is known as Yule and is where we get Yule Logs from. In Eastern europe the mid-winter festival is called Koleda.
The Roman Festival of Saturnalia took place between December 17th and 23rd and honoured the Roman god Saturn. Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means 'birthday of the unconquered sun' and was held on December 25th (when the Romans thought the Winter Solstice took place) and was the 'birthday' of the Pagan Sun god Mithra. In the pagan religion of Mithraism, the holy day was Sunday and is where get that word from!"
http://www.whychristmas.com/customs/25th.shtml[/url] |
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Tigerstyleone
Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Posts: 87
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Its Christmas in Paradise, Paradise, and I'm off with pay today.
Paradise, paradise. |
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isabel

Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 479 Location: God's green earth
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Tigerstyleone wrote: |
Its Christmas in Paradise, Paradise, and I'm off with pay today.
Paradise, paradise. |
Now that's the attitude! Happy Christmas in Paradise. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1751 Location: Eating yet another endless bowl of Pho...
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: Mass in HCMC for X-Mas |
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I really enjoyed the Vietnamese language Roman Catholic Mass tonight at Duc Ba Notre Dame Cathedral in the heart of D-1 HCMC.
The large variety of religions, churches, opinions and open discussion about religion shows that Vietnam has true freedom of religion.
I actually prefer the more "laid-back" approach to Buddhism or the Catholic church here in VN, but some misunderstood my comments.
In the past week I've been to Mass in a Roman Catholic church, a Mosque, 2 Buddhist Pagodas, a Hindu temple...
Happy Holiday Cheer to ALL!
Religion in VN in all it's forms and incarnations fulfills an important roll in the society & culture of Vietnam. |
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douglas1969
Joined: 21 Sep 2012 Posts: 30 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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I for one would appreciate a circle of westerner friends to chat with and occasionally have a drink.
But given the downright creepy nature of some expats prowling SEASIA I'm very reticent about making casual contacts with passing foreigners. I'm also busy and value my privacy. I think this is natural among expats who've lived a while in Vietnam - if they were outgoing mixer types they'd have left long ago. |
What do you mean by creepy nature? Just socially awkward or ?? |
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TRH
Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 65 Location: HCMC
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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It feels so odd being in a mostly athiestic society where the average Vietnamese now worships wealth more than any ancestor... Lip service religions here, where the VN just show up and burn some incense sticks to fix their karma Yet they have the audacity to celebrate a Western Church Holiday and laugh all the way. Try doing that with a Jewish, Muslim or any other religion's main holidays and imagine the backlash! |
You may not see it in District 1 but on the street where I live at least 3/4 of the people are Catholic and I don't mean just nominal Catholics. The bell rings outside my window at 4:30 AM every day and people go to mass. You may accuse my neighbors of being materialistic, although I don't see that in all of them, but they surely are not atheistic. I also know that although Buddhism does not demand active involvement, a lot of Buddhists here take their religion very seriously. |
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