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tzechuk
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| Easter Clark wrote: |
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Market Leader is a HORRIBLE book (before you jump down my throat, I have a BBA and an MBA, plus I do consultancy work and teach business, not biz English) when someone showed it to me.
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What specifically is horrible about it? Teaching business and teaching Business English are two completely different things. |
Yes, and I taught business English at YBM eons ago when they needed a teacher with business experience. It is their standard book, but I substituted it with something else.
What is horrible about it? It lacks substance. It lacks direction. The order of the topics is rather random. It relies a lot on people with real experience, which really isn't much use if you are an undergrad student, or someone who has very little business experience. It relies on you knowing a lot of industry jargon.
That just about sums it up for me. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| Easter Clark wrote: |
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Market Leader is a HORRIBLE book (before you jump down my throat, I have a BBA and an MBA, plus I do consultancy work and teach business, not biz English) when someone showed it to me.
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What specifically is horrible about it? Teaching business and teaching Business English are two completely different things. |
Yes, and I taught business English at YBM eons ago when they needed a teacher with business experience. It is their standard book, but I substituted it with something else.
What is horrible about it? It lacks substance. It lacks direction. The order of the topics is rather random. It relies a lot on people with real experience, which really isn't much use if you are an undergrad student, or someone who has very little business experience. It relies on you knowing a lot of industry jargon.
That just about sums it up for me. |
Or you could teach them the industry jargon, that sounds pretty useful to me. |
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Easter Clark
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
It relies a lot on people with real experience, which really isn't much use if you are an undergrad student, or someone who has very little business experience. It relies on you knowing a lot of industry jargon.
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So by that rationale it's a great book for people with "real experience" (pre-experienced learners).
I agree that it's not a good book for university students. However, for businesspeople, I have yet to find a better one. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| It is a good book for people with WESTERN business experience. Not so much Korean - not unless your students really want to learn all about American business culture and etiquette. |
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| It is a good book for people with WESTERN business experience. Not so much Korean - not unless your students really want to learn all about American business culture and etiquette. |
That's funny, considering it's a British Book and focuses on British English. |
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tzechuk
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Easter Clark wrote: |
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| It is a good book for people with WESTERN business experience. Not so much Korean - not unless your students really want to learn all about American business culture and etiquette. |
That's funny, considering it's a British Book and focuses on British English. |
That's not strictly true. Like I've said, I've looked at it, there is a lot of Americanism in it. The book itself is marketed to bring *international business* into the classroom*. |
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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That's not strictly true. Like I've said, I've looked at it, there is a lot of Americanism in it. The book itself is marketed to bring *international business* into the classroom*. |
It's not strictly true that it's a British text written in British English? Now I'm confused. 
As an American, I have to disagree that there is an American slant to it. It does focus on English in the international business context though. Maybe you've noticed that many of the speakers in the listening exercises aren't even native speakers. You've got accents from every corner of the globe (and an American or two for good measure).
Additionally, the case studies focus on multinational (albeit primarily European-based) companies.
If you can recommend a better multi-skills book for pre-experienced learners, I'm all ears. |
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tzechuk
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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I like Business Opportunites by Vicki Hollett. Used it before, not so presumptious and gives a lot more directions to students.
p.s. may be because I am British I am acutely aware of the fact that they have a few Americanisms in it?
When I say it's not strictly true, I mean it isn't JUST British.
But you are right, it is international and has a variety of World Englishes.
I still don't like it.
Sorry. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| It is a good book for people with WESTERN business experience. Not so much Korean - not unless your students really want to learn all about American business culture and etiquette. |
That seems like the reason for taking the class, to gain some exposure to Western business ways.
Students do want to learn about that (mine anyway). |
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Easter Clark
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
I like Business Opportunites by Vicki Hollett. Used it before, not so presumptious and gives a lot more directions to students.
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What do you mean by "presumptuous?" As for directions, one shouldn't be at the mercy of the book. I'm always on the lookout for better materials, which is why I'm curious why some people are against ML. |
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I recommend the following books and I am offering them for sale.
COMMUNICATING in BUSINESS ENGLISH (20,000 won incl. delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Communicating-Business-English-Audio-CD/dp/1932222170
BUSINESS VOCABULARY in USE Intermediate (20,000 won incl. delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Business-Vocabulary-Use-Bill-Mascull/dp/0521775299/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257305532&sr=1-1
TEST YOUR BUSINESS VOCABULARY in USE (companion to above)
(15,000 won incl. delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=test+your+business+vocabulary+in+use
BUSINESS VOCABULARY IN USE Advanced (20,000 won incl.delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Business-Vocabulary-Advanced-Bill-Mascull/dp/0521540704/ref=sr_1_1?F8&s=books&qid=1257299053&sr=1-1
TARGET SCORE
A COMMUNICATIVE PREPARATION COURSE for the TOEIC TEST
(22,000 won incl. delivery)
(Units focus on business topics: Careers, Workplaces, Communication, Retailing, Industry, Trade, Leisure, Money, Travel)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Target-Students-Communicative-Preparation-booklet/dp/0521706645/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257305783&sr=1-1
READING the NEWS (20,000 won incl. delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Reading-News-Pete-Sharma/dp/1424003814/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257300029&sr=1-1
delivery via registered mail
for multiple titles deduct 1,000 for each title
pm or email cuincebu@yahoo.com |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: www.ralphsesljunction.com
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| guava wrote: |
I recommend the following books and I am offering them for sale.
COMMUNICATING in BUSINESS ENGLISH (20,000 won incl. delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Communicating-Business-English-Audio-CD/dp/1932222170
BUSINESS VOCABULARY in USE Intermediate (20,000 won incl. delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Business-Vocabulary-Use-Bill-Mascull/dp/0521775299/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257305532&sr=1-1
TEST YOUR BUSINESS VOCABULARY in USE (companion to above)
(15,000 won incl. delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=test+your+business+vocabulary+in+use
BUSINESS VOCABULARY IN USE Advanced (20,000 won incl.delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Business-Vocabulary-Advanced-Bill-Mascull/dp/0521540704/ref=sr_1_1?F8&s=books&qid=1257299053&sr=1-1
TARGET SCORE
A COMMUNICATIVE PREPARATION COURSE for the TOEIC TEST
(22,000 won incl. delivery)
(Units focus on business topics: Careers, Workplaces, Communication, Retailing, Industry, Trade, Leisure, Money, Travel)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Target-Students-Communicative-Preparation-booklet/dp/0521706645/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257305783&sr=1-1
READING the NEWS (20,000 won incl. delivery)
link to description:
http://www.amazon.com/Reading-News-Pete-Sharma/dp/1424003814/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257300029&sr=1-1
delivery via registered mail
for multiple titles deduct 1,000 for each title
pm or email cuincebu@yahoo.com |
What's the condition? Used? New? Written in? No cover? |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: www.ralphsesljunction.com
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Guava,
Nevermind. Thanks anyways. I contacted the publisher and they are sending me free ones which arrive tomorrow. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| Business Venture is also out with a new edition that looks good, i'm using the old edition with my second year students and its ok though i think int express (oxford) has more activities, has a nice pocket book with the differences between american and british english and has a dvd to go with it i'm using that with my first year students i like it as it has more levels |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: |
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"easy to low intermediate" Business English?
Someone please author a book entitled "You have no business thinking there is business English at your level".
ESP at low levels is called English class. |
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