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cubanlord
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| ha! I have 48 points! Do I get the job???? |
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cubanlord
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe Cubanlord can let us know how his uni selects applicants? |
Do you have a pulse? |
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Draz
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| Thiuda wrote: |
| Maybe Cubanlord can let us know how his uni selects applicants? |
Do you have a pulse? |
Most days... |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| I teach in the English Dep at my uni. But for the Lib Arts Dep (where the English conversation teachers reside), my university basically looks for Yes Men. Guys and Gals that will agree to teach extra corporate classes and winter camps when asked. I have recommeded quite a few qualified individuals (folks with masters and years of experience) to the hiring committee but they aparently didn't fit what they were looking for. |
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makemischief
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Location: Traveling
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
| Thiuda wrote: |
| Maybe Cubanlord can let us know how his uni selects applicants? |
Do you have a pulse? |
SO TRUE: out in the boonies they'll take what they can get  ....... even CL  |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| cubanlord wrote: |
| Thiuda wrote: |
| Maybe Cubanlord can let us know how his uni selects applicants? |
Do you have a pulse? |
Most days... |
Boom! You got the job! |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| makemischief wrote: |
| cubanlord wrote: |
| Thiuda wrote: |
| Maybe Cubanlord can let us know how his uni selects applicants? |
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SO TRUE: out in the boonies they'll take what they can get ....... even CL |
hehehhe, you dirty bitch. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Guys, this may be interesting to ponder, but to me, this is all irrelevant chest beating -- probably spurred on by concerns about BA's being hired over MA's for university positions in Korea. I understand where you're coming from and why, though. |
I am sorry you think I was engaging in chest beating. I was not doing that at all. The selection criteria also has nothing to do with concern over BAs being hired over MAs. When I was employed at the University, they simply rejected ALL applicants who did not have a MA. That was departmental policy.
BAs were hired for the University's Institute (Unigwon).
The Department simply had no interest in BA holders teaching its University classes. It had program aims and it stuck to them. If you noted in my list, the selection criteria are a MA in a relevand field AND relevant experience. There is no room there for a BA holder.
It is better to offer real and accurate information to people here wishing to know about University positions....
Some Universities do hire BAs. My former University as well as several others I know if do not.
I should mention that the hiring committees at my former univeristies required a Foreign Teacher on staff. They saw benefit in this.
I know of a few other universities who do this as well either with a foreign teacher as a full fledged member or as a consultant.
Finally on the age factor, you seem to have had your experiences with it but mine differed. As I stated, my former university clearly favored candidates over 30. They did this for several reasons, namely experience and maturity.
The 'attractiveness' factor is always tossed around these boards and while it may fly at some hakwons, it sure did not factor in when the Universities I know selected Teachers. I can imagine some of the lower tier universities would use that as a selection issue for their unigown positions.
But to post cynical and sarcastic responses to what some posters have provided from their work experiences does not help many people bass....
Just my two cents. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Pat, it's a crapshoot as far as what these schools look for. We have BA's in both the English Dept. and Unigwon. Up until now, there was virtually no difference at all between the jobs, save for that the English Dept. teachers got to teach older students. The unigwon teachers taught more Freshman classes with fewer classes including older students. Now we've been told (unigwon side) that we have to share our private offices. The English dept. people haven't been told that yet, but anything can happen. |
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byrddogs
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| I qualify for your uni. under the point system that you provided. With that being said, I have run across several way under-qualified people working in universities here. It was always the "knew someone and fell into it" thing. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Pat, it's a crapshoot as far as what these schools look for. We have BA's in both the English Dept. and Unigwon. Up until now, there was virtually no difference at all between the jobs, save for that the English Dept. teachers got to teach older students. The unigwon teachers taught more Freshman classes with fewer classes including older students. Now we've been told (unigwon side) that we have to share our private offices. The English dept. people haven't been told that yet, but anything can happen. |
But lets also be fair and look at the type of universities. There are certainly tiers, and the lower-tired unis are at once more flexible in their current hiring practices (which is a good thing for many BA-holders), but they also don't afford the staff as much respect as a top-tiered uni might, whose hiring is more rigorous. Its not as much of a crapshoot as some may think; better unis have better conditions.
I worked for an "I know that one" university from '97 to 2000 and it was solid. Then, after moving to Seoul, I worked at a "never heard of it" uni and things were quite unstable overall. Now I am in a well-known uni and things are back to being pretty solid. Sure, there are always nitpicks, but overall, top schools are much more stable.
Regarding the "know somebody" thing: it certainly makes a big difference, but there is still a resume/teaching philosophy screening, an interview and hopefully a teaching demo, where nobody would be able to save a fool. If these checks and balances aren't in place and a teacher could successfully bring in a friend sight unseen, then clearly that is asking for trouble. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Its not as much of a crapshoot as some may think; better unis have better conditions. |
Precisely.
I would add that the better jobs out there are not crapshoots at all. They are there for people with the required qualifications and professional track record. These jobs, in exchange are better professional opportunities for Teachers.
The lower tier universities are closer to technical colleges in nature than to full fledhed universities. In that respect they can offer less and they tend to attract candidates with lower qualifications, hence BAs can get in. This in some way is a good thing.
However a BA working for a lower tier university for a few years would still not be hired by the better universities I know. My former University would not consider a BA even if he or she had 2-3 years of University working experience, not for a University class teaching position. Now if that same BA managed to do a MA while working its a different ballgame.
Things are changing however as they always do on any job market. |
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bassexpander
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| There is something to be said about the relative ease of working with students of a higher caliber, as well. Higher-level universities can be a draw simply because the students actually try harder. As for my school, our classes are somewhat divided by major, and they vary greatly because of that. Some are quite awful to teach. Others are a breeze. |
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KoreanAmbition
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I work for a good university in Seoul and if you don't have a Master degree you won't even be considered..... that's the case for both the English department and unigwon.
I think the topic of teaching at a good university and therefore having good students is interesting.
Quite possibly the most fulfilling part of my job is always having at least some students that are very intelligent people. This certainly makes teaching the classes more interesting... some of their viewpoints are really strong, and they also care to learn different opinions as well. Sometimes I'm surprised at how many students I've really enjoyed teaching.
However, the idea that they try harder can also be a negative at times. I've had many times where students feel selfish with regards to "their" own learning, and since they want to try hard, they almost expect that the entire class should be focused on their exact needs.
It gets a little annoying when several students are doing a good job and acting properly, and then one student is only interested when the topic is exactly what they care about.
Sometimes, the 1 student on the bad side can outweigh 10 students who are good... that's something I've found difficult. |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist für Sklaven geschaffen, für Wesen ohne Geist.
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| I think the topic of teaching at a good university and therefore having good students is interesting. |
I agree. I teach at a relatively out-of-the-way university and the students here come in two flavours. Either they live in Seoul, but were unable to get into any universities in the Seoul area because of their poor academic record, or they live in the vicinity and lacked the resources to study at a more prestigious university. And, while there are exceptions, either type of student struggles with any sort of academic work. Patrick hit the nail on the head when he stated that lower-tier universities are really more like trade colleges; fields of study at my university include Beauty Design (make-up, hair styling...etc.) and Automotive Engineering (sounds fancy, but think mechanic).
| KoreanAmbition wrote: |
| Quite possibly the most fulfilling part of my job is always having at least some students that are very intelligent people. This certainly makes teaching the classes more interesting... some of their viewpoints are really strong, and they also care to learn different opinions as well. Sometimes I'm surprised at how many students I've really enjoyed teaching. |
Absolutely, I've taught students who are an intellectual treat to interact with and I look forward to teaching them. At the same time, often progress is more evident when working with lower level students, which I find rewarding as well.
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| There is something to be said about the relative ease of working with students of a higher caliber, as well. Higher-level universities can be a draw simply because the students actually try harder. As for my school, our classes are somewhat divided by major, and they vary greatly because of that. Some are quite awful to teach. Others are a breeze. |
I once taught at a provincial Science High School for a summer. I was told at the beginning of my term there that all of the students had an IQ of a 140 or more and that I should tailor my classes accordingly. Whether this assertion by the head teacher was pulled out of thin air I do not know, but teaching these students was not easy. Lessons had to be intellectually engaging, otherwise they'd turn off and start doing work that they felt benefited them more. Working through a textbook? Forget it. Most were advanced speakers of English who read English books during their breaks. In the end I taught a history of the English language course that I had developed for uni students the previous semester. While the summer went pretty smoothly, it certainly wasn't easy teaching those kids - I really had to be prepared and on my toes. |
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