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apocalyptic_tea



Joined: 04 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I showed my principal my two visible tattoos (inner wrist & forearm) before I started working and asked if he'd prefer I keep them covered, and he said not to bother. One's in Latin and the other's a line from a Jacobean revenge tragedy, though, which might've been a factor--not exactly the most hardcore ink in the world.

I do try to keep them covered, especially the wrist tattoo because it's in darker ink and somewhat more "startling," but the kids still catch glimpses of them now and then. They're interested for a few minutes before forgetting to care.

A couple of my kids spotted my wrist tattoo the first week of school and tried to get me to explain it. I told them (through my co-teacher) that I'd tell them whatever they wanted to know once they learned enough English to ask me about it and understand my response. This was followed by much wailing and gnashing of teeth before a rather heroic group effort to cobble together the right question. Unfortunately, they went through "hand" and "arm" but never got "wrist," so it remains a mystery still. Wink
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brandonlk



Joined: 30 Sep 2009
Location: Seattle, WA

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

apocalyptic_tea wrote:
I showed my principal my two visible tattoos (inner wrist & forearm) before I started working and asked if he'd prefer I keep them covered, and he said not to bother. One's in Latin and the other's a line from a Jacobean revenge tragedy, though, which might've been a factor--not exactly the most hardcore ink in the world.

I do try to keep them covered, especially the wrist tattoo because it's in darker ink and somewhat more "startling," but the kids still catch glimpses of them now and then. They're interested for a few minutes before forgetting to care.

A couple of my kids spotted my wrist tattoo the first week of school and tried to get me to explain it. I told them (through my co-teacher) that I'd tell them whatever they wanted to know once they learned enough English to ask me about it and understand my response. This was followed by much wailing and gnashing of teeth before a rather heroic group effort to cobble together the right question. Unfortunately, they went through "hand" and "arm" but never got "wrist," so it remains a mystery still. Wink


That was brilliant. What a great idea. Make them work for the answer!!! I will keep mine covered at work most def.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perceptioncheck wrote:


However, I'm no Picasso, I think it's pretty irresponsible to tell people having obvious tatts won't effect their employment chances; whether you like them or not, you have to accept there is a certain social stigma attatched to tattoos especially in Korea, where tattooing culture is still in its infancy.

I can appreciate that you got lucky with your tats. It sounds like you're at an exceptional school. You're probably a very good teacher. But not every school is like yours and recruiters can afford to pick and choose now that more graduates are coming over to Korea.

Potential employers aren't going to like the fact you have a tattoo. At best, they might not care. But the chances of them having a negative reaction is pretty high while the chances of them having a positive reaction is negligable. Why take that chance?



I didn't say having tattoos would not affect your employment chances -- I said it is in no way a policy of the public schools not to hire those with tattoos, which is what the individual was claiming. I think it's pretty irresponsible to have one bad experience and post on a public forum that something is a policy, when you don't have enough experience to know that. His recruiter effed up and didn't do his research, and made an issue out of something that I know for a fact for EPIK at least is not an issue. As I said, I have seen many, many foreign teachers here AT work events with tattoos showing.

If you think it's irresponsible for me to correct that misunderstanding, than so be it. Apparently everyone here knows more about the public school system than I do.

I'd also like to point out that not one person yet has mentioned their public school employer (co-teacher, principal, or otherwise) chastising, firing or rejecting them for having tattoos. Interesting. Since I seem to be so off-base here....
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Perceptioncheck



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no Picasso wrote:
Perceptioncheck wrote:


However, I'm no Picasso, I think it's pretty irresponsible to tell people having obvious tatts won't effect their employment chances; whether you like them or not, you have to accept there is a certain social stigma attatched to tattoos especially in Korea, where tattooing culture is still in its infancy.

I can appreciate that you got lucky with your tats. It sounds like you're at an exceptional school. You're probably a very good teacher. But not every school is like yours and recruiters can afford to pick and choose now that more graduates are coming over to Korea.

Potential employers aren't going to like the fact you have a tattoo. At best, they might not care. But the chances of them having a negative reaction is pretty high while the chances of them having a positive reaction is negligable. Why take that chance?



I didn't say having tattoos would not affect your employment chances -- I said it is in no way a policy of the public schools not to hire those with tattoos, which is what the individual was claiming. I think it's pretty irresponsible to have one bad experience and post on a public forum that something is a policy, when you don't have enough experience to know that. His recruiter effed up and didn't do his research, and made an issue out of something that I know for a fact for EPIK at least is not an issue. As I said, I have seen many, many foreign teachers here AT work events with tattoos showing.

If you think it's irresponsible for me to correct that misunderstanding, than so be it. Apparently everyone here knows more about the public school system than I do.

I'd also like to point out that not one person yet has mentioned their public school employer (co-teacher, principal, or otherwise) chastising, firing or rejecting them for having tattoos. Interesting. Since I seem to be so off-base here....


Fair 'nuff, my apologies. The impression I got from reading your posts is that the majority of employers in the public school sector care not a jot about tattoos. Obviously I didn't read carefully enough.

My co-teacher told me to make sure mine are covered. And the OP was rejected from GEPIK. Yes, yes I know it was through his recruiter, but still. . .times are a-changing. Public schools can afford to be more picky. Perhaps not hiring people with tattoos IS becoming unofficial policy? Who knows? Perhaps I'm wrong. It seems awfully strange that they'd ask about tattoos for absolutely no reason at all.

But then, again, this is Korea! Laughing
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brandonlk



Joined: 30 Sep 2009
Location: Seattle, WA

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perceptioncheck wrote:
I'm no Picasso wrote:
Perceptioncheck wrote:


However, I'm no Picasso, I think it's pretty irresponsible to tell people having obvious tatts won't effect their employment chances; whether you like them or not, you have to accept there is a certain social stigma attatched to tattoos especially in Korea, where tattooing culture is still in its infancy.

I can appreciate that you got lucky with your tats. It sounds like you're at an exceptional school. You're probably a very good teacher. But not every school is like yours and recruiters can afford to pick and choose now that more graduates are coming over to Korea.

Potential employers aren't going to like the fact you have a tattoo. At best, they might not care. But the chances of them having a negative reaction is pretty high while the chances of them having a positive reaction is negligable. Why take that chance?



I didn't say having tattoos would not affect your employment chances -- I said it is in no way a policy of the public schools not to hire those with tattoos, which is what the individual was claiming. I think it's pretty irresponsible to have one bad experience and post on a public forum that something is a policy, when you don't have enough experience to know that. His recruiter effed up and didn't do his research, and made an issue out of something that I know for a fact for EPIK at least is not an issue. As I said, I have seen many, many foreign teachers here AT work events with tattoos showing.

If you think it's irresponsible for me to correct that misunderstanding, than so be it. Apparently everyone here knows more about the public school system than I do.

I'd also like to point out that not one person yet has mentioned their public school employer (co-teacher, principal, or otherwise) chastising, firing or rejecting them for having tattoos. Interesting. Since I seem to be so off-base here....


Fair 'nuff, my apologies. The impression I got from reading your posts is that the majority of employers in the public school sector care not a jot about tattoos. Obviously I didn't read carefully enough.

My co-teacher told me to make sure mine are covered. And the OP was rejected from GEPIK. Yes, yes I know it was through his recruiter, but still. . .times are a-changing. Public schools can afford to be more picky. Perhaps not hiring people with tattoos IS becoming unofficial policy? Who knows? Perhaps I'm wrong. It seems awfully strange that they'd ask about tattoos for absolutely no reason at all.

But then, again, this is Korea! Laughing


I brought it up to my recruiter after seeing the question on the GEPIK application. He then told me no no they will reject you. So of course I was going to believe him. Now I now better and will just send the app in anyway
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Lima, Peru

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brandonlk wrote:
I was told that for public school positions they wont hire anyone with a tattoo whether it can be seen or not. They even ask on the application.

I had an interview with a public school. ON the app I said that I had tattoos, but they weren't visible. When they interviewed me they wanted to know exactly where they were, two on my back, one on my foot. I still got offered the job. It was with EPIK.

My recruiter actually told me that I should lie and say that I don't have any tattoos. My thing is that I'd rather be honest now, then have them find out later and use it against me.
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mcviking



Joined: 24 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 11 tattoos that can all be covered and I have never got any crap for it. Ocasionally my tattoo slips out if I am wearing a short sleeve shirt when I reach to write things on the board. I generally keep them covered, but when co workers see me on the weekends they are genreally suprised that I have alot of tattoos. I love my tattoos, each one of them has meaning to me and I don't care if people don't like them.
I remember when I was getting my first tattoo I siad to the guy that "I don't want something that will look stupid when I am 50." To which he replied, "When you're 50 you won't care anyway.
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taiwan_girl



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would be interesting to look at a % of people with tattoos (say males aged 20-30). Repeat this every 10 years. If you did this for western people in 1990, maybe 5-10%; in 2000, maybe 20%; in 2010, maybe it will be 35-40%. I think that will be the peak and the % of people getting tattoos will start to decrease.

I have nothing against tattoos, but I look at them as something like a fashion accessory. And succeeding generations do not want to follow what the preceeding "old" folks have done, whether it be hair style, clothing, or even tattoos, etc. While it is popular now to get tattoos, kids being born today will have something else that will be cool for them (and something that is different from what their parents think is cool). Who knows, maybe the powdered wig will come back! Yes, people will always get tattoos, but it will not be as common as now.

It seems that most people who have written in this topic posting are taking the right approach - take a rather conservative approach to showing them. Because, for good or bad, tattoos still have a mostly negative perception among asian people.

A person may be a great person, but if they come walking down the street with a lot of visible tattoos, an Asian (mainly referring to Chinese) will immediately lower their perception of them. If two people (of exactly equal skills/background) were applying for a job at an Asian company, one with visible tattoos, one without, 99 times out of 100, the person without visible tattoos would get the job. Probably not right, but that is the way it is.

Somewhat of a joke told to me by a doctor friend in an emergency room:

I have seen many good tattoos.
I have seen many old tattoos.
But I have yet to see a good, old tattoo.
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hawaii4me272



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told by a Korean friend that tattoos are not a good idea for teachers.
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Fermentator75



Joined: 27 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kurtz is my favorite form of kook... what a monkey! Way to conform to stereotypes in the cyber age bro!
What is unacceptable is you spreading your righteous opinion about the way people should adorn themselves. Look at the history of clothing/piercing/tattooing and tell me why it is perceived as cheap or tacky or insignificant in modern culture.
You lack the perspective of "modern" and dwell in your sullen pit of entitlement and pulpit of importance.
Stuck in the witch trial of thought you will suffer a bitter demise... keep hiding that Rush Limbaugh tat on your ass man!
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soakitincider



Joined: 19 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not pick at the scabs as they heal. The color will be compromised.
Crying or Very sad
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DorkothyParker



Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. I don't even think about my tattoos until I am asked to cover them otherwise. It took my hagwon job only a week, though. Smile
I'm a femme BTW and I have a large tattoo on the back of my right leg and one covering my left calf. Apparently I "scared" my kindie kids. Though, truthfully, I think it would be better if I could keep scaring them.

I do find it hilarious that some people assume tattooed folk constantly want to look cool or be noticed. For the most part, you do forget that it's there.
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Kurtz



Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: Jonestown

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fermentator75 wrote:
Kurtz is my favorite form of kook... what a monkey! Way to conform to stereotypes in the cyber age bro!
What is unacceptable is you spreading your righteous opinion about the way people should adorn themselves. Look at the history of clothing/piercing/tattooing and tell me why it is perceived as cheap or tacky or insignificant in modern culture.
You lack the perspective of "modern" and dwell in your sullen pit of entitlement and pulpit of importance.
Stuck in the witch trial of thought you will suffer a bitter demise... keep hiding that Rush Limbaugh tat on your ass man!


Very Happy Glad I needled you you little *beep*.

What people do to their own bodies is peoples' own business, but try asking your co-workers if excessive tattoos (there are tattoos and then there are TATTOOS if you know what I mean) or tattoos in general is suitable for an educator, you might find an unresounding NO like in my school.
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Fermentator75



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kurtz wrote earlier about exposed tattoos "it looks really bad"... your opinion dip !@#$... but good for you if you agree with the staff at your school. Continue sucking the protocol pucker.
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annainkorea



Joined: 03 Nov 2009
Location: Currently Grove City, Ohio

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brandonlk wrote:
I was told that for public school positions they wont hire anyone with a tattoo whether it can be seen or not. They even ask on the application.

What!!!! Is this true? I have a small tattoo on my back which is easily covered up when I wear anything except a halter or low back top which will not be worn while teaching. Do I not disclose this?
Anna
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