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Why DON'T You Want to Stay in Korea?
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prairiemaker



Joined: 02 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:55 am    Post subject: PM sent to vanislander Reply with quote

Vanislander, I do not want to say what city I am in, or university on Daves, because I posted part of letter I wrote the dean of academics. I have PMed you though and told you where I am located.
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soakitincider



Joined: 19 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks grandpa. That also helped with my congestion. You're a genius! It's ALL good now! Yeah boy!
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Forward Observer



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because there's no place like home.

I've met people that say they're lifers. They'll die in Korea. Good for them I say, that's their choice. Me, I miss wide open spaces and serenity. Korea is great for some things, but there's too many things I miss being able to do. The mountain bike guy hit the nail on the head, too crowded for doing things you like. Not enough space. It's a nice place to visit if you love some things about the country, but live here too long and you pick up some bad habits.
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rgv



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LemonHead wrote:
i'll never be able to advance here as a person. Living here is similiar to living in limbo


pretty much sums up how I feel about it. I came to experience living another culture and see how I liked teaching. To the second, I have my answer: I love teaching. But I knew even before I came that if I liked teaching; teaching English isn't what I want to do long term.

As for the first (life)... In my opinion Korea doesn't have as much to offer as other places (se asia, eastern/western europe, south america specifically). Sure there are lots of wonderful distractions (hongdae, drinking), but they are just that: distractions. Ultimately I find life here is either spent drinking, working, or sitting around. The first you can only do so much of, the second can be enjoyable but can't be everything, and the third.. well.. it's boredom mostly...

Bottomline: Korea was the right choice for me a year and a half ago for various reasons (much easier to get a job w/o experience, a good way to get my feet wet at teaching, etc) and I can honestly say I've learned/grown a lot, but staying here longer would really only help my wallet grow. And that's just not what I'm interested in.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pollution, the superficiality, 'are you married?', 'how old are you?', the banality, the garbage, the filth, the smell, the spitting, the smoking, the food, the melodrama, the egos, the media, the ugliness of every city in Korea, the buildings, the sour faces, the rudeness, the pushing, the horrible old men who look at me as if I've committed some unthinkable crime by just walking down the street, the lack of respect, the fact that every time someone else is in the wrong and you see it they get angry at you, the pushing, the people who never for a second question all the nationalistic BS they've been fed-- and expect you to swallow and go along with it as well, the constant quiet racism, the racism that isn't so quiet, the way that Koreans always add a belittling slant to their interpretations of anything not Korean, the fact that Koreans keep telling themselves they're the best of everything when they're not (the least they could do is adopt a 'we're as good as...' attitude-- but it's never about equality, it's ALWAYS we're the best and you're NOT), the fact that some of the Korean teachers at my school are totally lazy but would never admit it because they're incapable of accurately assessing any situation and prefer to rely on stereotypes and what they have already heard as truth, the fact that everything in Korea that is hyped as beautiful or wonderful isn't... and everything that everyone else has already said. I'm sure there's more, but this is all that I can think of right now.

I'll never understand anyone who wants to commit to this place... no, no place is perfect, but I can't imagine not thinking that other places could do much, much, much better.
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Bog Roll



Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if we all got together and discussed about our time in Korea - just five random strangers from Daves - we would have all the same things to say as in regards our interactions with Koreans. The 'herrrrrrrrrros' from passing kids, the 'Is the food not too spicy', the 'four seasons' crap, the high IQ of Korea and how it is the worlds highest, they all support Manchester United - no kid supports Wolves or Portsmouth for example.
Fan death - they all believe in it, kimchi cures cancer and is a wonderful health food - you can just nudge a Korean in the ribs and give them a wink and have a laugh 'fan death ya silly get' because they don't have a sense of humour - Koreans are easily offended. Try and criticize their food - you can tell me British and Irish food is a bag of crap and more often than not it is. You can't do that with a Korean without them getting all heated and silly about it.

They all have the same opinion on Dokdo and the Japanese - any other country - even Argentina where the Malvinas is a sore point - not every Argentinian is manic about it, some don't care and some actually think it is British by right. This sentiment of differing opinion - however small - does not exist in Korea.

The reason I like Korea has nothing to do with interactions with the ordinary Korean - and for me thats a shame - but this is what they seem to want.
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drkalbi



Joined: 06 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Korea but want nothing to do with anything Korean.
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Tundra_Creature



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bog Roll wrote:


Are you a teacher or a student?


Exchange student, which probably makes a difference.
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Teddycakes21



Joined: 18 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
The pollution, the superficiality, 'are you married?', 'how old are you?', the banality, the garbage, the filth, the smell, the spitting, the smoking, the food, the melodrama, the egos, the media, the ugliness of every city in Korea, the buildings, the sour faces, the rudeness, the pushing, the horrible old men who look at me as if I've committed some unthinkable crime by just walking down the street, the lack of respect, the fact that every time someone else is in the wrong and you see it they get angry at you, the pushing, the people who never for a second question all the nationalistic BS they've been fed-- and expect you to swallow and go along with it as well, the constant quiet racism, the racism that isn't so quiet, the way that Koreans always add a belittling slant to their interpretations of anything not Korean, the fact that Koreans keep telling themselves they're the best of everything when they're not (the least they could do is adopt a 'we're as good as...' attitude-- but it's never about equality, it's ALWAYS we're the best and you're NOT), the fact that some of the Korean teachers at my school are totally lazy but would never admit it because they're incapable of accurately assessing any situation and prefer to rely on stereotypes and what they have already heard as truth, the fact that everything in Korea that is hyped as beautiful or wonderful isn't... and everything that everyone else has already said. I'm sure there's more, but this is all that I can think of right now.

I'll never understand anyone who wants to commit to this place... no, no place is perfect, but I can't imagine not thinking that other places could do much, much, much better.


You're in danger of being banned. Haven't you learned that you are only supposed to talk about how WONDERFUL Korea is on this site? God forbid anyone should be able to speak the truth!
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curiousaboutkorea



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
the fact that every time someone else is in the wrong and you see it they get angry at you.


Thank you for saying that. I'm still a newbie (a little more than halfway through my first contract). I've been dealing with a bad bout of a head teacher getting angry at me for seeing that she was wrong. It's annoying, but good to know I'm not alone. Confused
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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
The pollution, the superficiality, 'are you married?', 'how old are you?', the banality, the garbage, the filth, the smell, the spitting, the smoking, the food, the melodrama, the egos, the media, the ugliness of every city in Korea, the buildings, the sour faces, the rudeness, the pushing, the horrible old men who look at me as if I've committed some unthinkable crime by just walking down the street, the lack of respect, the fact that every time someone else is in the wrong and you see it they get angry at you, the pushing, the people who never for a second question all the nationalistic BS they've been fed-- and expect you to swallow and go along with it as well, the constant quiet racism, the racism that isn't so quiet, the way that Koreans always add a belittling slant to their interpretations of anything not Korean, the fact that Koreans keep telling themselves they're the best of everything when they're not (the least they could do is adopt a 'we're as good as...' attitude-- but it's never about equality, it's ALWAYS we're the best and you're NOT), the fact that some of the Korean teachers at my school are totally lazy but would never admit it because they're incapable of accurately assessing any situation and prefer to rely on stereotypes and what they have already heard as truth, the fact that everything in Korea that is hyped as beautiful or wonderful isn't... and everything that everyone else has already said. I'm sure there's more, but this is all that I can think of right now.

I'll never understand anyone who wants to commit to this place... no, no place is perfect, but I can't imagine not thinking that other places could do much, much, much better.


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freethought



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="blackjack"]
nautilus wrote:
freethought wrote:
Then there's being seen with Korean women and people making comments or trying to fight you because of it. I an honestly say I do not know a single male ESL teacher who has not experienced this either himself, with a friend, or knows a friend who it happened to.


Here is one guy that has never experienced it. I do know guys that have but they have always been the type that look for fights.


So what you're saying is that you actually fit the description in that you've known someone that it's happened to.
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ashland



Joined: 05 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
The pollution, the superficiality, 'are you married?', 'how old are you?', the banality, the garbage, the filth, the smell, the spitting, the smoking, the food, the melodrama, the egos, the media, the ugliness of every city in Korea, the buildings, the sour faces, the rudeness, the pushing, the horrible old men who look at me as if I've committed some unthinkable crime by just walking down the street, the lack of respect, the fact that every time someone else is in the wrong and you see it they get angry at you, the pushing, the people who never for a second question all the nationalistic BS they've been fed-- and expect you to swallow and go along with it as well, the constant quiet racism, the racism that isn't so quiet, the way that Koreans always add a belittling slant to their interpretations of anything not Korean, the fact that Koreans keep telling themselves they're the best of everything when they're not (the least they could do is adopt a 'we're as good as...' attitude-- but it's never about equality, it's ALWAYS we're the best and you're NOT), the fact that some of the Korean teachers at my school are totally lazy but would never admit it because they're incapable of accurately assessing any situation and prefer to rely on stereotypes and what they have already heard as truth, the fact that everything in Korea that is hyped as beautiful or wonderful isn't... and everything that everyone else has already said. I'm sure there's more, but this is all that I can think of right now.

I'll never understand anyone who wants to commit to this place... no, no place is perfect, but I can't imagine not thinking that other places could do much, much, much better.


man... you are a sad person... very very sad individual.
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Ice Tea



Joined: 23 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I moved back to Canada two months ago. I struggle to pay the rent, work two jobs, and make just about $2000 a month. There's no jobs and my life is difficult, but strangely, I'm almost happier.

Here I feel comfortable. I have my friends and family. I don't worry about NK, not getting paid, crazy drivers, or yellow dust. Canadians are definitely white trash, with no style or brains, but at least people don't hide who they really are.

My life is hard right now, but I feel hopeful for the future that eventually I'll get a good job and climb that ladder. If I just give up and go back to Korea, I'll never be able to make a life for myself here.
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Wiltern



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
The pollution, the superficiality, 'are you married?', 'how old are you?', the banality, the garbage, the filth, the smell, the spitting, the smoking, the food, the melodrama, the egos, the media, the ugliness of every city in Korea, the buildings, the sour faces, the rudeness, the pushing, the horrible old men who look at me as if I've committed some unthinkable crime by just walking down the street, the lack of respect, the fact that every time someone else is in the wrong and you see it they get angry at you, the pushing, the people who never for a second question all the nationalistic BS they've been fed-- and expect you to swallow and go along with it as well, the constant quiet racism, the racism that isn't so quiet, the way that Koreans always add a belittling slant to their interpretations of anything not Korean, the fact that Koreans keep telling themselves they're the best of everything when they're not (the least they could do is adopt a 'we're as good as...' attitude-- but it's never about equality, it's ALWAYS we're the best and you're NOT), the fact that some of the Korean teachers at my school are totally lazy but would never admit it because they're incapable of accurately assessing any situation and prefer to rely on stereotypes and what they have already heard as truth, the fact that everything in Korea that is hyped as beautiful or wonderful isn't... and everything that everyone else has already said. I'm sure there's more, but this is all that I can think of right now.

I'll never understand anyone who wants to commit to this place... no, no place is perfect, but I can't imagine not thinking that other places could do much, much, much better.


After reading all these issues, I'm just curious....why are you still here? Seriously. Money? I actually have a lot more respect for the 'runners' who can't stand Korean culture, but will act upon their convictions and leave. What you are saying is, the best I can do in life is live in a country I can't stand as an EFL teacher. That's pretty sad.
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