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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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With the Olympics and World Cup countries generally have at least 8-10 years to get everything built. I'm curious as to how long they had from being awarded an F1 race to actual race day?
I think this was rushed through because F1 is in desperate need of new advertising money. They know very well that Korean companies were half the reason FIFA was saved financially in the 90's (the Japanese being the other half). |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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So they didn't have enough seats for the amount of tickets sold, but still gave out thousands of free tickets? Sparkling.
Then the KAVO suit brags that they did in three years what the Europeans need five to do. Wrong. You didn't do what the Eropeans do. They take five years to plan, design and build a circuit and then host a SUCCESSFUL Grand Prix. KAVO took three years to botch a GP.
By the way, my love motel in what the Italian press called ' Love Square' was only 60,000 per night. So if the teams were charged 300,000 per night, it was probably done by someone else.
Anyone who bought a ticket for a seat that didn't exist should be offered a discount for next year. Anyone who bought a ticket and didn't get in should get a refund and a discount for next year. |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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b-class rambler
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I really think Korea needs to take some tips from Singapore on how to run a proper F1 Event.
I was flying through Singapore early this month on the same weekend that the F1 race was going to be happening down by the waterfront. Even from just walking through the airport, I knew that an F1 race was going to be happening. They had tons of stuff in the airport promoting the event, like a remote control race track, where people in the airport could race them around and miscellaneous other stuff promoting it. They also had huge signs up everywhere, letting people know about it.
Now, entertainment. Singapore had a huge line-up every day of big name entertainment. I wasn't necessarily excited about some of the bands they had there, but it was some big names and ultimately it drew some huge crowds. In fact, each day, I heard the entire event was sold out. And that it was sold out weeks or even months in advance.
I didn't get a chance to go down by the waterfront to see what kind of food they had there, but knowing that it was Singapore, I'm sure they had a good amount of tasty food to come by.
I realize this is Korea's first time hosting and that Singapore has hosted it for a while, but I really think they need to take some tips from the way Singapore has hosted it. Singapore makes millions each year from hosting the event. It gives the country great publicity and draws foreigners in.
I'm just afraid that by Korea doing this 50%, that the bad press will just hurt the country more than if they hadn't hosted it in the first place.
Hopefully, like others said, they can improve for next year. |
Some fair points about what Singapore probably does well that Korea could learn from for future F1 races.
Although I'm not sure Singapore would be the best comparison to make. Singapore is a tiny city state and its F1 event is probably one of, if not the biggest sporting event it hosts. It will be much easier to create an "F1 is in town" kind of atmosphere in a country that's smaller than Seoul. That said, I would still agree that more could have been done to promote the event here.
jvalmer makes a good point above that part of the reason for things being rushed and half-arsed in nature were the F1 authorities themselves pushing this, and other, new races through faster than maybe they should've done.
Also, if it's any consolation to people who went to the Korean F1, last Sunday's other major sporting event in Korea, the FA Cup final, also had some organisational imperfections. There was ONE place selling beer and other drinks in the whole stadium which was supposed to have 31,000 fans in it. Fair enough for Busan I'Park home games that usually only have barely a few 1000 watching them. But for a cup final? At half-time I spent 10 mins just walking to the opposite side of the stadium to find where I could get a beer from, saw a queue that it would probably have taken me at least 20 mins to get to the front of, gave up and only just made it back to my seat for the second half. I doubt the world's media will have noticed, but I wasn't very impressed. |
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vonnegutjr
Joined: 24 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Diver- I can't find tickets or a schedule that says next month they will have a F3000 race. Can you help?
As for the F1 GP...disaster. Everything was not up to par other than the actual cars, drivers, teams, and F1 staff. KAVO did not do there part. It was still fun. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| so is that it for this year? theres nothing on till next year now? |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| vonnegutjr wrote: |
Diver- I can't find tickets or a schedule that says next month they will have a F3000 race. Can you help?
As for the F1 GP...disaster. Everything was not up to par other than the actual cars, drivers, teams, and F1 staff. KAVO did not do there part. It was still fun. |
I wish I knew. Does anything written previously in this thread make you think it will be easy to find info on the F3 race? 
If I do find out anything, I will post it here.
I think free tix to the F3 would be a suitable apology for selling me tickets to seats that I couldn't sit in |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I love how the Koreans claimed to have done it better than the Europeans. Always gotta claim that they do things better, when in actuality, according to some of the people that went there, they sucked and sucked big time. Glad I didn't spend any money on this event. Korea: where reality goes to die. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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The F3 event is called the F3000 Superprix. There is a ton of info in the foreign press, but (of course) nothing on the Korean press re where to get tickets.
It should be Nov 26, 27, 28. |
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I-am-me
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| It sucked and middle of nowhere!! |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| After the conclusion of the Formula One race in Yeongam, South Jeolla, local officials were patting themselves on the back - while also admitting to some embarrassing screw-ups. |
Taking money for a ticket and then denying that person access is not a screw-up. It's fraud.
Entrepreneur Park Min-young, 28, traveled all the way from Busan to see the race, and he had a representative experience.
�I waited for the shuttle at the station starting at 1 p.m.,� he said. �But the shuttle, which was supposed to come every 5 to 10 minutes, did not come until 2:30. When I came to the circuit at 2:50 and tried to get in, I was denied access and not one person knew where I should ask to get answers.
�I bought two tickets over 300,000 won each and people next to me with a baby bought four Silver tickets over 1 million won each,� Park said.
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| �I would like to thank the people of South Jeolla, the government, event personnel and volunteers for all the support,� said Governor Park Joon-yung. |
How about a "thank you" to the fans? You think the money-spending public had anything to do with the success of the race?
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| �We have successfully held the F1 event by building one of the finest circuits in the world in South Jeolla, which is one of the most underdeveloped areas in Korea,� he said. �Although everything didn�t go as planned, I want you to think of this as a long term investment for the future. |
Just SAYING it was a success, doesn't make it so. Unless by success you mean that the cars actually completed the race...
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| �No country can hold such an event perfectly from the start, so we will go step by step and improve things in the coming years,� Park added. |
Really? I was at the first Indy race in Toronto (1986). I was at the first Formula One race in Phoenix (1989). Those were world-class events.
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| Park said he wanted an apology from the organizers, but hasn�t been given one. |
Park better not hold his breath.
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| �Since the event is fairly unknown in Korea... |
Yeah...because YOU didn't promote it properly. Idiot.
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| The facilities left a lot to be desired. The spectators stands were rickety, like those at a high school sports field, and KAVO was forced to close certain sections while continuing construction on stands during the three days of practices and races. |
I saw NO construction being carried out.
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| Most of the parking areas and pedestrian walks were unpaved, creating huge amounts of dust for the first two days and large mud puddles on the day that it rained during the Grand Prix. After sunset, most circuit areas had no lighting, leaving pedestrians in the pitch black. |
Yup.
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| Volunteers who were supposed to help visitors rarely knew the answers to questions. Very few spoke any language other than Korean, and few knew where certain places at the event were. |
To be fair, I found a lot of people who could speak English, but they didn't have any information.
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| KAVO said that organizing will improve in the coming years. |
We'll see, but I am not confident. As long as it is held in Korea, things will done at the last minute and corners will be cut.
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| �This circuit was a great accomplishment for us, as what would usually take about five years in Europe took us just over three years to accomplish,� said Kim Jae-ho, the general manager of KAVO�s marketing department. |
But KAVO didn't accomplish the same thing. Europeans run successful races. KAVO ran...well...not that.
If the Europeans wanted to screw up a race as badly as KAVO, they could've done it in less than three years.
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| Kim added, �The accommodations will not be the same at next year�s event.� |
Nope, they will be even MORE expensive.
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| �During that time, we will do our best to make motorsports in Korea an event that the whole family can enjoy, like that of Nascar in the United States,� Kim said. |
Really? So where on the KAVO web site does it tellme where I can get tickets to the F3000 race in November?
By Jung Seung-hyun [[email protected]] |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it just me or is there something wrong with calling the people who try to run a botched up event, "Organizers". |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldMember wrote: |
| Is it just me or is there something wrong with calling the people who try to run a botched up event, "Organizers". |
It's kind of hard to argue with that logic. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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It's failures and international embarrassment that helps change countries change their old inefficient ways to something more efficient. The several collapsed buildings and bridges, in the 90's, exposed extremely low building standards. The 1997 Asian financial crisis did wonders in allowing more free flow of money in Korea. If you think it's hard to move your money now, it was horrendous pre-1997.
Interesting article about the Korean F1...
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LJ23Dg01.html |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
It's failures and international embarrassment that helps change countries change their old inefficient ways to something more efficient. The several collapsed buildings and bridges, in the 90's, exposed extremely low building standards. The 1997 Asian financial crisis did wonders in allowing more free flow of money in Korea. If you think it's hard to move your money now, it was horrendous pre-1997.
Interesting article about the Korean F1...
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LJ23Dg01.html |
I never had much trouble moving my money pre-1997 (though in those days I didn't move much of it).
And tell the people who lived in the Gold Tower in Busan about how building codes improved after after the bridge and Sampoong collapses. |
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