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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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jangleton, thanks for that. Almost nobody takes the Warren Report seriously anymore, at least not since that poll in 1968 (I think) in which 81% of random respondents said they did not believe it.
Yes, Greer slowed down the presidential limo to a near complete stop in order to make that 270-degree turn in Dealey Plaza, something no sincere, competent Secret Service would have allowed for, not to mention having dozens of open windows all over the Plaza looking out onto the street.
Then, of course, we have the oft-mentioned Secret Service Stand Down.
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1) No citation.
2) You=irrefutable HSCA=probable
Your incompetence here is inexcusable.
If you don't understand the difference between probable and irrefutable (and you clear any ambiguity about whether you do; you obviously do not), you have absolutely zero business blobbing on about serious discussion.
You have lied about your proof again.
The above LIE is an embarrassment to serious discussion.
You have only yourself to blame.[/u] |
| Stop twisting my words. Anyone can plainly see that I wrote: |
| irrefutable Dictabelt evidence of four shots. |
Four shots, of course, mean there had to have been a second gunman, also known as a "conspiracy." In any event, I am not interested in playing "gotcha." Go seek elsewhere. |
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jangleton
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
jangleton, thanks for that. Almost nobody takes the Warren Report seriously anymore, at least not since that poll in 1968 (I think) in which 81% of random respondents said they did not believe it.
Yes, Greer slowed down the presidential limo to a near complete stop in order to make that 270-degree turn in Dealey Plaza, something no sincere, competent Secret Service would have allowed for, not to mention having dozens of open windows all over the Plaza looking out onto the street.
Then, of course, we have the oft-mentioned Secret Service Stand Down.
| Nowhere Man wrote: |
1) No citation.
2) You=irrefutable HSCA=probable
Your incompetence here is inexcusable.
If you don't understand the difference between probable and irrefutable (and you clear any ambiguity about whether you do; you obviously do not), you have absolutely zero business blobbing on about serious discussion.
You have lied about your proof again.
The above LIE is an embarrassment to serious discussion.
You have only yourself to blame.[/u] |
| Stop twisting my words. Anyone can plainly see that I wrote: |
| irrefutable Dictabelt evidence of four shots. |
Four shots, of course, mean there had to have been a second gunman, also known as a "conspiracy." In any event, I am not interested in playing "gotcha." Go seek elsewhere. |
I agree. But there are still a lot of flunkeys like NWM around, who are a danger to our society at a time where individual freedoms are being taken away.
The Biggest ( but certainly not only ) lie to the Warren Commission:
" Afer the first shot was fired , according to the commission, "Agent Greer immediately accelerated the presidential car."
That statement was false and was known to be false by the commission as demonstrated by all of the available evidence, including eyewitness testimony of spectators and of Secret Service agents and documents, including the Zapruder film." |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed. In fact, he slowed down!   |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:31 am Post subject: ... |
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| Four shots, of course, mean there had to have been a second gunman, also known as a "conspiracy." In any event, I am not interested in playing "gotcha." Go seek elsewhere. |
Whatever your name du jour is,
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The dictabelt evidence has already been done on this thread.
It's also been done quite publicly, and the end sum was that there was no motorcycle positioned as such to corroborate the evidence |
Is this true or false?
Pretending to forget round 1 is the beginning of round 2.
I can play "forgot" for as many rounds as you have.
EVERY time you forget that we've already done this and you regurgitate it back as evidence makes you look bad.
And we're still waiting for your "proof". |
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jangleton
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: The Secret Service Criminal Minds |
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You are funny NWM! Where is your proof?
"Sometimes it is not what the Unsub does, it is what the Unsub does not do that fits the profile."
It is what the United States Secret Service detail DID NOT do when the shots rang that identify them as participants in the crime.
What did they NOT DO?
React to the shots like they were trained to do and did in every other situation ( including the agents assigned to Johnsons car ) except for Dallas.
Take a look at the agents in the Reagan attempt for example. Read about what the agents did back in Johnson car.
By doing nothing they incriminated themselves just as much as if they had shot Kennedy themselves. They had a duty to protect the president and you can see that they did not. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:31 am Post subject: ... |
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| You are funny NWM! Where is your proof? |
OK...by rope-a-doping away from dictabelt to SS actions, I take it you have nothing more to add to the dictabelt argument and we're going to toss it in the rubbish bin of "proof" next to "Ford lied".
We've already been over the SS actions multiple times.
I think we can agree that the SS didn't do what they were supposed to/trained to do.
Their response to Reagan reflects how JFK improved SS training.
The question of whether their Dealy actions were conspiratorial or buffoonery remains a question.
You repeatedly attempt to railroad this into "proof", but it remains your interpretation.
A couple of key points:
1) If the agents were, in fact, conspirators, why wouldn't they have "conspiratorally" gone through the motions of trying to protect JFK? Their inaction cuts both ways.
2) You repeatedly point out a still photo to show the agents in the Johnson car did nothing, yet one of them ends up on the back of the limo trying to reach Jackie.
So, your opinion about the SS remains an opinion. Regurgitating your opinion every ten pages does not turn it into a fact or proof. In fact, when you respond by bobbling on to the next line of already-addressed evidence or launch into one of your fits about me, it makes you look bad. |
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jangleton
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:46 am Post subject: Last Word Mark Lane ( Patriot ) |
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Your analysis of the inactions of the Secret Service demonstrates the idiot that you are. .
You simply cannot accept what they have done and that is understandable for what they did is beyond the pale.
But I say this for the public at large who have not been exposed to this material as much as you have.
You are in denial and a traitor to this country for your continued defense of these murderers. In fact , you are an accessory after the fact and when the time comes , you will be sought out and tried like the rest of the traitors.
Now a true American Patriot who wrote the book "Last Word::
Introduction by Robert K. Tanenbaum:
"Throughout American history, heroic individuals committed to the core principle of American exceptionalism have championed the unpopular righteous cause. They witnessed injustice and sought to correct it. They experienced intolerance and refused to accept it. They encountered evil and struggled to defeat it.
During many of these confrontations, they risked their reputations and reveled in unpopularity but because they understood that momentary public censure borne of ignorance and prejudice was the price paid for a pure soul and the cost of virtuous ethical conviction.
Mark Lane is such a man and Last Word is incontrovertible corroboration. Throughout his professional career, Lane has used his brilliance in and out of the courtroom to represent the underdog. Time after time, he challenged the government to present trustworthy evidence in the numerous cases he tried. He always spoke truth to power. He was so committed to exposing injustice, it can be said that he was willing to march into hell, to pursue a heavenly case." |
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jangleton
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: Secret Service Inaction ( only in Dallas) |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
I think we can agree that the SS didn't do what they were supposed to/trained to do.
Their response to Reagan reflects how JFK improved SS training.
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It is a start that you recognize this - now stop making excuses. The lack of security was unique even for the times and the Service was trained and knew exactly what to do in this situation. Don't let those black and white photos make you think they were dummies back then.
U. E. Baughman had been the chief of the United States Secret Service from 1948 to until 1961 ( long before the Kennedy days - don't give me the "they have improved since Dealey" crap ever again ) After the assassination he said that he could not understand why Mrs. Kennedy had to climb over the back of the vehicle to "get help," or how it was possible that with the entire Secret Service detail on hand why the only shots that day had been fired at the president and no fire was returned. The agents could have at least leveled their weapons at the source of the fire , an action they were trained to do. This in response to the excuse that the agents were concerned about friendlies in the area of the shots. ( had they returned fire ) The president was shot for Christ's sake, when your sole purpose for being there was to protect the president, you do something! ( unless you were told to do nothing )
Retired Secret Service Agent Chief Baughman was not even appear on the Warren Commission report. ( further making the report an invalid document ) |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Last Word Mark Lane ( Patriot ) |
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| jangleton wrote: |
Your analysis of the inactions of the Secret Service demonstrates the idiot that you are. .
You simply cannot accept what they have done and that is understandable for what they did is beyond the pale.
But I say this for the public at large who have not been exposed to this material as much as you have.
You are in denial and a traitor to this country for your continued defense of these murderers. In fact, you are an accessory after the fact and when the time comes , you will be sought out and tried like the rest of the traitors. |
That's a bit of overkill. NM just likes to argue, and make you make your best argument. Sometimes he's good at it, and he likes to take on the best. I know you are emotionally invested in this, as am I and any other right-thinking American, but don't take it personally. |
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jangleton
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Last Word Mark Lane ( Patriot ) |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
| jangleton wrote: |
Your analysis of the inactions of the Secret Service demonstrates the idiot that you are. .
You simply cannot accept what they have done and that is understandable for what they did is beyond the pale.
But I say this for the public at large who have not been exposed to this material as much as you have.
You are in denial and a traitor to this country for your continued defense of these murderers. In fact, you are an accessory after the fact and when the time comes , you will be sought out and tried like the rest of the traitors. |
That's a bit of overkill. NM just likes to argue, and make you make your best argument. Sometimes he's good at it, and he likes to take on the best. I know you are emotionally invested in this, as am I and any other right-thinking American, but don't take it personally. |
NWM needs to find a new hobby or other place to practice his skills.
The cover-up has been successful because of flunkeys like NWM - whether paid for or not.
I can not think of a type of person I despise more than his ilk.
The participation of the government by it's Secret Service in the assassination of JFK is self evident, and only those unfamiliar with the case or who are cognitively impaired have a reason not to see this. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:56 am Post subject: ... |
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Jangleton/Theme/Regicide,
Once upon a time, you were accosting someone on the 9/11 thread about their ability to differentiate between facts and opinions. I challenged you on your own ability to differentiate between facts and opinions here on JFK. You invited me to this thread.
When I point out the difference between fact and opinion (you being heavy heavy on opinion), you simply say ugly things about me, then regurgitate your opinions. Let it be clear: I'm not arguing with the best here; I'm simply distilling fact from hoopla. This thread was pure hoopla before I was invited to attend. Flinging more hoopla at me makes you look bad.
SS activity at Dealey remains a matter of speculation. The HSCA looked into it but came up inconclusive. Temper tantrums and poo-flinging do not change this. |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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