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ontheway
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ontheway
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Former Governor Gary Johnson of New Mexico has won the Libertarian Party nomination for POTUS on the first round of ballots. |
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Zackback
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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When will the Libertarian Part ever catch on with the American voters? |
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comm
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Zackback wrote: |
When will the Libertarian Part ever catch on with the American voters? |
Well, one of the following things would have to happen:
1. Corporations benefiting from the D/R dichotomy could abandon their economic advantage from manipulating the government (I'm looking at you, Goldman Sachs)
2. Extraordinarily wealthy private citizens could donate to support the Libertarian message, negating the advantage of corporatist Ds and Rs
3. The majority of Americans could get their news and commentary from independent sources with no vested interest in promoting the D/R dichotomy
Obviously #3 is the most likely, but even that's a slow process. |
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ontheway
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Governor Gary Johnson was elected to two terms as Governor of New Mexico. He is more experienced and more qualified than Romney for POTUS.
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A successful businessman who lives in Taos, NM, Mr. Johnson is known as an unwavering crusader for fiscal responsibility, free enterprise and individual freedoms. During his gubernatorial tenure, he used his veto pen more than 750 times to forestall attempts to grow government and put an end to wasteful government projects. He cut taxes while maintaining New Mexico as one of only four states in the country with a balanced budget. The state boasted a $1 billion budget surplus when Mr. Johnson left office in 2003. |
Governor Johnson has been joined by Judge James Gray running for Vice President on the Libertarian ticket.
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James "Jim" P. Gray (born February 14, 1945) is an American jurist, politician, drug law reform activist, and author. He was the presiding judge of the Superior Court of Orange County, California. Gray was the 2004 Libertarian candidate for the United States Senate in California. He is the author of multiple non-fiction books dealing with legal and political issues. |
Both of these men are well known in the movement for the legalization of marijuana which is presently supported by a majority of American voters. |
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Leon
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Despite the soundness of many of his positions, and his record, he won't be taken seriously because he is not a good speaker. It was painful to see him at the Republican debate. If your best line is a stolen rush limbaugh punch line, you don't have much. Not saying that this is how it should be, but this is how it is. |
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ontheway
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Gary Johnson was recently found to have been polling at 15% in his home-state in New Mexico.
However, now the same polling company has conducted a survey which says he is polling at 8% in Montana too.
The poll asked: �If the candidates for President this fall were Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt Romney, and Libertarian Gary Johnson, who would you vote for?�
Mitt Romney�����������.. 43%
Barack Obama����������� 41%
Gary Johnson ����������.. 8%
Undecided�����������.. 7%
When the data is broken down further, Johnson appears to be capturing 4% of Democrats and 5% of Republicans. Among self-described independents, Johnson surges to 15%.
The former New Mexico governor is also polling at 13% among voters under the age of 30. |
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ontheway
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comm
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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That was horrible.
The Libertarian party really needs to just work on getting it's platform better recognition. There are plenty of people who agree with it but don't know it exists. |
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Leon
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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comm wrote: |
That was horrible.
The Libertarian party really needs to just work on getting it's platform better recognition. There are plenty of people who agree with it but don't know it exists. |
Yeah, I doubt a powerpoint presentation is going to grab attention, or hearts and minds. That was a pretty horrible ad. |
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visitorq
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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comm wrote: |
That was horrible.
The Libertarian party really needs to just work on getting it's platform better recognition. There are plenty of people who agree with it but don't know it exists. |
I wouldn't say it was "horrible". Not the most awe-inspiring ad I've ever seen, but the message was good. They should get some professional ad people to make something better, but I suppose funding is limited... |
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comm
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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visitorq wrote: |
I wouldn't say it was "horrible". Not the most awe-inspiring ad I've ever seen, but the message was good. They should get some professional ad people to make something better, but I suppose funding is limited... |
Really? You think that an insipidly boring powerpoint like that will convert anyone? It doesn't promote any Libertarian ideals, it doesn't help people identify with the movement, it doesn't point out the insanity of the D/R false dichotomy. It doesn't grab the watcher's attention, it doesn't convey any critical message of Libertarianism and it does nothing to help potential voters understand the party... It was made by Libertarians for Libertarians: "Oh look, some presidents weren't in the two-party system, maybe we could win".
It's an acceptable motivational powerpoint for a Libertarian party meeting.
It is not an advertisement. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Libertarian?
Cut government spending on everything. Give corporations more money.
Bravo libertarians. Bravo.
And notice that Gary Johnston, unlike Ron Paul, doesn't mention cutting U.S. military bases. |
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visitorq
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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comm wrote: |
visitorq wrote: |
I wouldn't say it was "horrible". Not the most awe-inspiring ad I've ever seen, but the message was good. They should get some professional ad people to make something better, but I suppose funding is limited... |
Really? You think that an insipidly boring powerpoint like that will convert anyone? It doesn't promote any Libertarian ideals, it doesn't help people identify with the movement, it doesn't point out the insanity of the D/R false dichotomy. It doesn't grab the watcher's attention, it doesn't convey any critical message of Libertarianism and it does nothing to help potential voters understand the party... It was made by Libertarians for Libertarians: "Oh look, some presidents weren't in the two-party system, maybe we could win".
It's an acceptable motivational powerpoint for a Libertarian party meeting.
It is not an advertisement. |
That's fine. I would agree it's a bit mediocre/bland and has much room for improvement, but "horrible" is a bit harsh... |
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