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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
There is more than a whiff of testosterone panic on this thread.

Times are a-changing, boys. It's been about a century since muscles lost out to brains in most endeavors that matter.

Women have upped their game. Choice: whine and lose out or give up the games and get to work.


If women have "upped their game" (I love American lemmings and their sports references) then I guess they won't need preferential government treatment anymore?


You might want to check women's graduation rates in universities.

Hmmm...maintaining men's monopoly on the right to vote--is that not preferential government treatment for men?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This means that any ‘to let’ adverts that specify that a lodger should be gay, single or from a particular country fall foul of the law.


To return to the original topic of the thread:

Wouldn't it be simpler to just advertize something like this:

"Gay Ugandan male seeking roommate."

That way, people who have a problem with gays, Ugandans, and males would not answer the ad. Problem solved.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enriched yet?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57499523/mexican-drug-cartels-fight-turf-battles-in-chicago/

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(CBS News) CHICAGO - Gun violence is out of control in Chicago. Just last night, there were eight shootings, two of them deadly.

That pushes the total so far in 2012 to 351 shooting deaths -- up 30 percent from last year. Drug gangs are a big reason.

In an afternoon drive on Chicago's southwest side, Jack Riley sees signs of what he calls the "toxic" drug war laying waste to this city.

Riley is special agent in charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration Office in Chicago and in four neighboring states.

Daily turf battles over drugs and distribution, he said, are turning parts of this Midwest city into a Mexican border town.

"One of the hardest jobs I've had in the past couple of years is to convince our law enforcement partners that we need an enforcement mentality as if we're on the border," Riley said.

Miles away, Riley says, Mexican cartels have a significant influence in Chicago's gang violence problem.

"Let's take the gloves off on that," he said. "We know that the majority of the drugs here in Chicago, cartels are responsible for. We know that the majority of the murders are gang related. So it is very clear to see the connection and the role."

As it stands now, at least three major Mexican cartels are battling over control of billions of dollars of marijuana, cocaine and -- increasingly -- heroin in this city. That includes the ultra-violent Zetas and the powerful Sinaloa cartel, run by its shadowy leader Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.
In this June 10, 1993 file photo, Mexican drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, is shown to the press after his arrest at the high security prison of Almoloya de Juarez, on the outskirts of Mexico City.

"The most dangerous criminal across all crime in the world is Chapo Guzman and this is one of his hubs," Riley said.

It's not surprising why Guzman operates in Chicago: the city's location and easy access to a wide variety of transportation.

"You've got to look at Chicago from really a perspective of logistics, of business logistics. It's an ideal spot to set up shop."

To fight back, Riley has taken lessons he learned five years ago as agent in charge of the DEA's EL Paso office. He's formed a 25-agency strike force featuring state and federal prosecutors, FBI, ATF, and local police that began operation in January. Its focus: shutting down "choke points" where gang leadership meets cartel lieutenants.

The same strategy he used, he said, led to several major arrests on the Texas border. A new border in Chicago is an even greater challenge.

"I'm telling you, I'm taking this personally." Riley said. "We're going to do something about it. Now this is a marathon, it's not a sprint, and our changes here with the strike force and the way we look at drug enforcement is going to take time. But it's going to have a lasting effect."

More than ever, Chicago's problem is turning into a Midwest problem. Cartel operations are also spreading to Milwaukee, St. Louis and Detroit.


Progress!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/opinion/deportation-nation.html?_r=2&hp
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Deportation Nation
By DANIEL KANSTROOM

In a study of Latin American deportees who had lived for long periods in the United States (on average, 14 years), the sociologists M. Kathleen Dingeman and Rubén G. Rumbaut found that deportees who had emigrated as children suffered the most. Deportees to El Salvador (a country many had fled during the civil war of the 1980s) encountered discrimination because of their accents, style of dress and California gang-themed tattoos.


If they suffer discrimination for having gang tattoos then we best give them citizenship and welfare.

What could go wrong? It's not like they're going to drain the system:

http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/8/slow-path-to-progress-for-us-immigrants/?page=all

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Immigrants lag behind native-born Americans on most measures of economic well-being — even those who have been in the U.S. the longest, according to a report from the Center for Immigration Studies, which argues that full assimilation is a more complex task than overcoming language or cultural differences.

The study, which covers all immigrants, legal and illegal, and their U.S.-born children younger than 18, found that immigrants tend to make economic progress by most measures the longer they live in the U.S. but lag well behind native-born Americans on factors such as poverty, health insurance coverage and homeownership.

The study, based on 2010 and 2011 census data, found that 43 percent of immigrants who have been in the U.S. at least 20 years were using welfare benefits, a rate that is nearly twice as high as native-born Americans and nearly 50 percent higher than recent immigrants.

Read more: Slow path to progress for U.S. immigrants - Washington Times


Oh.

And this:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/19/usda-partnering-with-mexico-to-boost-food-stamp-participation/

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The Mexican government has been working with the United States Department of Agriculture to increase participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or food stamps.

USDA has an agreement with Mexico to promote American food assistance programs, including food stamps, among Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals and migrant communities in America.

“USDA and the government of Mexico have entered into a partnership to help educate eligible Mexican nationals living in the United States about available nutrition assistance,” the USDA explains in a brief paragraph on their “Reaching Low-Income Hispanics With Nutrition Assistance” web page. “Mexico will help disseminate this information through its embassy and network of approximately 50 consular offices.”


Oh.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the hell does crime have to do with diversity?
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Titus



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't remember.
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racism is everywhere, even in peanut butter and jelly sandwiches....

Verenice Gutierrez picks up on the subtle language of racism every day.

Take the peanut butter sandwich, a seemingly innocent example a teacher used in a lesson last school year.

“What about Somali or Hispanic students, who might not eat sandwiches?” says Gutierrez, principal at Harvey Scott K-8 School, a diverse school of 500 students in Northeast Portland’s Cully neighborhood.

“Another way would be to say: ‘Americans eat peanut butter and jelly, do you have anything like that?’ Let them tell you. Maybe they eat torta. Or pita.”


What important work this brave woman is doing.

Through intensive staff trainings, frequent staff meetings, classroom observations and other initiatives, the premise is that if educators can understand their own “white privilege,” then they can change their teaching practices to boost minority students’ performance.

Let's see how that works out.

Most of the staff are on board, but there is some opposition to a drum class being offered to middle school boys of color at Scott School.

Gutierrez denies that any students were turned away from the drum corps, and vehemently rejects any suggestion that it is discrimination to offer a club catering to minority boys.

“When white people do it, it is not a problem, but if it’s for kids of color, then it’s a problem?” says Gutierrez, 40, an El Paso, Texas, native whose parents were Mexican immigrants. “Break it down for me. That’s your white privilege, and your whiteness."


http://portlandtribune.com/pt-rss/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity

Good to see the diversity industry fostering an environment of tolerance and understanding amongst the races. A bright future awaits post-white-majority America.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drug addiction should be treated as a medical issue NOT a criminal issue first of all.
As for the drug cartels, the REAL problem is demand. America is very rich country, richest in the world by far in terms of breadth of wealth, even what we call poor live better than some working class in other nations.
Drive past a housing project and the parking lots are full and each home has a color tv set.
Because of the wealth of so many Americans there isn't anything that can be denied by Americans if enough people want it. Both legally and illegally.
Fact is too many people want drugs. Hard drugs. The number of people who do and the value of the market makes it almost impossible for that market not be addressed by someone or some people.
The mexican drug cartels have the money and power and the ability to defend or take customers BECAUSE of the high demand for their 'product'.
Address the demand and we'll see the suppliers weakened. It doesn't matter what you do with the cartels. You can send a black ops special forces team to take out the heads of the cartels and it would solve NOTHING. They would be replaced faster than you can kill them because the huge demand and market forces of that demand will see to it that there will always be suppliers.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
Drug addiction should be treated as a medical issue NOT a criminal issue first of all.


Definitely true.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
You can send a black ops special forces team to take out the heads of the cartels and it would solve NOTHING. They would be replaced faster than you can kill them because the huge demand and market forces of that demand will see to it that there will always be suppliers.

Looking on the bright side, it's nice to be reminded that market forces are stronger than any government.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
NilesQ wrote:
Remember that discrimination is a two way street. If you do something intentionally kind for one group, by default you are discriminating against everyone else.

Why is it ok to say that only gay people can live somewhere, but it's discrimination if you say only straights need apply?


In the case of looking for a roommate, both should be acceptable.


No, it shouldn't since it's still discrimination.

The correct way to go about it, if the person seeking a roommate fears conflict or awkward situations, is to inform applicants of his or her sexual preferences.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
northway wrote:
NilesQ wrote:
Remember that discrimination is a two way street. If you do something intentionally kind for one group, by default you are discriminating against everyone else.

Why is it ok to say that only gay people can live somewhere, but it's discrimination if you say only straights need apply?


In the case of looking for a roommate, both should be acceptable.


No, it shouldn't since it's still discrimination.

The correct way to go about it, if the person seeking a roommate fears conflict or awkward situations, is to inform applicants of his or her sexual preferences.


That would be quite a radical position, 12ax7, at least in the United States.

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The Fair Housing Act applies to landlords renting or leasing space in their primary residence only if the residence contains living quarters occupied or intended to be occupied by three or more other families living independently of each other, such as an owner-occupied rooming house.


The FHA has a very broad primary residence exception, and rightfully so. Nobody should be forced to share their living quarters with someone they despise, for whatever stupid reason that may be.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
northway wrote:
NilesQ wrote:
Remember that discrimination is a two way street. If you do something intentionally kind for one group, by default you are discriminating against everyone else.

Why is it ok to say that only gay people can live somewhere, but it's discrimination if you say only straights need apply?


In the case of looking for a roommate, both should be acceptable.


No, it shouldn't since it's still discrimination.

The correct way to go about it, if the person seeking a roommate fears conflict or awkward situations, is to inform applicants of his or her sexual preferences.


That would be quite a radical position, 12ax7, at least in the United States.

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The Fair Housing Act applies to landlords renting or leasing space in their primary residence only if the residence contains living quarters occupied or intended to be occupied by three or more other families living independently of each other, such as an owner-occupied rooming house.


The FHA has a very broad primary residence exception, and rightfully so. Nobody should be forced to share their living quarters with someone they despise, for whatever stupid reason that may be.



So, you may have found a loophole in the US (may being the keyword), as if that is relevant to UK law. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that it's discrimination, does it?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
northway wrote:
NilesQ wrote:
Remember that discrimination is a two way street. If you do something intentionally kind for one group, by default you are discriminating against everyone else.

Why is it ok to say that only gay people can live somewhere, but it's discrimination if you say only straights need apply?


In the case of looking for a roommate, both should be acceptable.


No, it shouldn't since it's still discrimination.

The correct way to go about it, if the person seeking a roommate fears conflict or awkward situations, is to inform applicants of his or her sexual preferences.


If I may not live with whom I please, will you Bolsheviks kindly allow us to marry whom we please?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
northway wrote:
NilesQ wrote:
Remember that discrimination is a two way street. If you do something intentionally kind for one group, by default you are discriminating against everyone else.

Why is it ok to say that only gay people can live somewhere, but it's discrimination if you say only straights need apply?


In the case of looking for a roommate, both should be acceptable.


No, it shouldn't since it's still discrimination.

The correct way to go about it, if the person seeking a roommate fears conflict or awkward situations, is to inform applicants of his or her sexual preferences.


If I may not live with whom I please, will you Bolsheviks kindly allow us to marry whom we please?


Precisely.

There's even another way to look at this. Any provision restricting discrimination in the same apartment or shared living space will fail to increase housing availability for protected classes. Why? Those who would discriminate will just refuse to share living space.

If an owner were to hate homosexuals, and the choice were either: (a) sublet a shared living space to homosexuals or (b) not sublet at all, the owner would invariably choose the latter, thus denying living space to everyone. But if an owner-occupied exception were granted, the owner could house a heterosexual. This would thus increase overall housing availability to everyone, including the homosexuals who need compete for one less unit of housing in non-owner occupied residences.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
If an owner were to hate homosexuals, and the choice were either: (a) sublet a shared living space to homosexuals or (b) not sublet at all, the owner would invariably choose the latter, thus denying living space to everyone. But if an owner-occupied exception were granted, the owner could house a heterosexual. This would thus increase overall housing availability to everyone, including the homosexuals who need compete for one less unit of housing in non-owner occupied residences.

Wouldn't that logic apply to non-owner-occupied living spaces as well?
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