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GENO123



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting:


Arafat rejects Clinton peace plan


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jan/03/israel2



Bill Clinton slams Yasser Arafat for Rejecting Peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MGWWOtGXTTU#!
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Junior



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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actionjackson



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happened upon this today and thought it made some interesting points in regards to the discussion.

Iran has no nuclear weapons program.
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United States intelligence community and its allies have long assessed that Iran is not and never has been in possession of nuclear weapons, is not building nuclear weapons, and its leadership has not made any decision to build nuclear weapons. Iranian officials have consistently maintained they will never pursue such weapons on religious, strategic, political, moral and legal grounds.

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Brigadier General Martin Dempsey, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Ronald Burgess, President Barack Obama, his National Security Council, and Vice President Joe Biden have all agreed Iran isn't actively building nuclear weapons.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz, and Military Intelligence Director Aviv Kochavi have also said the same thing.

Iran has never violated its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
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Iran is a signatory, and charter member, to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which affirms (not grants, merely acknowledges) the "inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with articles I and II of this Treaty."

Iran, by default, already has "nuclear weapons capability.
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Iran, with its operational enrichment facilities and a functioning power plant, theoretically already has such "capability," as do at least 140 other countries that "currently have the basic technical capacity to produce nuclear weapons. Additionally,according to Green Peace, "[o]ver 40 countries have the materials and knowhow to build nuclear weapons quickly, a capacity that is referred to as 'rapid break-out.'"

Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons. It is not a member of the NPT.
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Unlike Iran, which doesn't have a single nuclear bomb, Israel maintains a massive, undeclared and unmonitored arsenal of hundreds of nuclear weapons. Additionally, Israel has never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and refuses to do so whenrepeatedly called upon to do so by the international community. The hypocrisy isstaggering.

In May 2010, the 189 member nations of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty - including Iran - agreed to "the establishment of a Middle East zone free of nuclear weapons and all other weapons of mass destruction." In response, Israel denounced the accord, describing it as "deeply flawed and hypocritical," and declared, "As a nonsignatory state of the NPT, Israel is not obligated by the decisions of this Conference, which has no authority over Israel. Given the distorted nature of this resolution, Israel will not be able to take part in its implementation."

Sanctions are the West's other weapon of mass destruction.
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Just today, AFP reports, "Some six million patients in Iran are affected by Western economic sanctions as import of medicine is becoming increasingly difficult" because restrictions on Iran's banking sector "severely" curtail "the import of drugs and pharmaceutical devices for treatment of complex illnesses."

But deliberately causing a humanitarian disaster that destroys the lives of an entire civilian population isn't an alternative to war. It is one.

Attacking Iran is not only immoral, it is uncontrovertibly illegal.
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All so-called "preemptive" military attacks are illegal and explicitly forbidden by Chapter I, Article 2.4 of the United Nations Charter. The Charter also makes clear that it recognizes the "inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations," (Chapter VII, Article 51), which undoubtedly rules out any and all "preemptive," "precautionary," "anticipatory self-defense," or "preventative" military actions of one State against another.

This is really about maintaining unchallenged American and Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.
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The scariest thing for proponents of American empire and Israeli impunity is the prospect of the U.S. and Israel not being able to invade, occupy, overthrow bomb, blockade and murder at will. Glenn Greenwald recently pointed out that the real fear over the Iranian program is that "Iranian nuclear weapons would prevent the US from attacking Iran at will, and that is what is intolerable."

In his December 2011 call for the United States to soon launch an unprovoked attack on Iran, Matthew Kroenig wrote in Foreign Affairs that a "nuclear-armed Iran would immediately limit U.S. freedom of action in the Middle East. With atomic power behind it, Iran could threaten any U.S. political or military initiative in the Middle East with nuclear war, forcing Washington to think twice before acting in the region."

The same month, hawkish American Enterprise Institute maven Danielle Pletka admitted, "The biggest problem for the United States is not Iran getting a nuclear weapon and testing it. Its Iran getting a nuclear weapon and not using it."

http://www.alternet.org/world/what-obama-and-romney-didnt-say-debate-9-things-you-should-know-about-irans-nuclear-program?paging=off
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Unibrow



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior you believe everything Bill Clinton says?
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GENO123



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The great tragedy is that Yassir Arafat stole during his lifetime several billions of dollars from funds made available by the United States and the Western European countries for the Palestinian people. These billions disappeared into banks in Europe, primarily in Switzerland. These facts were disclosed at the time of Arafat's death in Paris in the unseemly discussions between Arafat's widow and Palestinian leaders while Arafat first lay in a coma and later was dead in his hospital room. His death could not be announced and the body could not be moved until an agreement was reached about the money under the control of Arafat's widow. At this point, it seems clear that most of that money was retained by Arafat's wife.

This unfortunate state of affairs has to be addressed. The Palestinian leadership should use legal process in Europe to obtain for their own people the monies pilfered by Arafat and other Palestinian leaders. That money is badly needed at this critical juncture if the Palestinians are ever to have a chance of developing Gaza and the West Bank into a meaningful political entity. Moreover, the United States and the Europeans should insist that the funds that they contributed be accounted for. To the extent that they have not been spent, but have ended up in Mrs. Arafat's bank accounts, or the accounts of other corrupt Palestinian leaders, they should be returned to the Palestinian people. To the extent that the Palestinians will not pursue these funds, then the United States and the Western Europeans should do so.


http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,86310,00.html
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the real question what the next US president will do? Is it more likely that Obama or Romney will attack Iran?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Isn't the real question what the next US president will do? Is it more likely that Obama or Romney will attack Iran?


Romeny easily. His party is made up of Israel firsters.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Isn't the real question what the next US president will do? Is it more likely that Obama or Romney will attack Iran?

Equally plausible. Obama has been bombing children on a weekly basis since he came into office, so there's no question whatsoever that he has it in him to do so. And regardless, he'll probably gleefully kill a few hundred thousand more innocent Iranian children in the meantime through sanctions (just like Madeline Albright did to Iraqi children under Clinton).

The only likely difference in taking us to war would be the approach and rhetoric. Romney would probably just pull another Iraq, and send in the troops unilaterally if need be (without apologies). Obama, however, would prefer to have some kind of plausible deniability and would first stage a false flag of some sort, or have Israel start the war. He would then take us to war through a UN resolution (and probably win another Nobel Peace prize for his efforts). It's the old cliche: when the Reps take us to war they send troops in green uniforms, when the Dems take us to war they send troops in blue (i.e. UN) uniforms.

Bottom line, both men are ardent supporters of the military industrial complex. At least in Romney's case, he hasn't actually had the chance to commit atrocities (yet). Obama already has the blood of innocent men, women, and children on his hands.
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Leon



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