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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/02/as-election-day-nears-obama-supporters-step-up-riot-threats/



LOL...some idiots tweet some stupidity and we are to take this as a serious threat?

The people who are paid to recognize REAL threats of riots like the FBI and law enforcement know better. They see it for what it is, idiots tweeting and this happens on BOTH sides.

Meanwhile in the real world, the ONLY real threats have been other idiots plotting to assassinate Obama.

I wouldn't be worrying about some Black people making idiotic tweets. However those same Black people may have reason to fear:
http://www.theroot.com/views/white-supremacists-election-2012?msn

Mark Potok, one of the country's leading experts on hate groups, said that the day after President Obama was elected there were so many new people expressing interest in white supremacist groups that websites for some of those groups actually crashed.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Potok is an ethnic activist who has a very loose relationship with the truth. He hates white people (like Tim Wise, Bill Maher etc) and is not a reliable source. He hates us. His fangs drip with hostility.

Black people have a history of burning down cities when they don't like something. That's a fact.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There aren't going to be riots no matter who wins.
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Zackback



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/11/01/1214384?sac=fo.local

Concerns raised over possible exploitation of mentally disabled voters

By Gregory Phillips
Staff writer

Jimmy Green's stepdaughter had never voted before. The 57-year-old is mentally disabled, and Green said she doesn't understand the concept of casting a ballot.

But this week, she called her parents to say she had voted for President Obama. The care home in Fayetteville where she lives registered its residents to vote and drove them to the polls, Green said.

"My concern is that somebody told her who to vote for," he said. "She didn't even know there's two different parties."

Complaints of uncomprehending voters being ferried to cast ballots surface every election. And in a presidential race as close as this year's, with huge levels of early voting, any perceived irregularity is falling under intense scrutiny.

But federal and state laws are very clear - there is no competency test for voting.

"The law specifically says that anyone with a disability is allowed to have assistance from anyone that they choose," said Terri Robertson, director of the Cumberland County Board of Elections. "As long as they can communicate to us in some way that they need assistance and who they wish to have assistance from, the law allows it."

In 2010, Gary Bartlett, the state elections director, issued a memo to county boards clarifying the law.

"In the absence of evidence of systematic fraud," Bartlett wrote, "the presumption should work in favor of the opportunity of the voter to vote."

Don Talbot said he saw vans full of mentally disabled voters brought to the polls time and again during his years as a former precinct chief in Cumberland County. He said it often appeared they had little input in completing the ballot.

"The audacity of it to me, it is shameful, but both parties do it," said Talbot, a former Fayetteville city councilman. "When you haul people that are not competent and you do their voting for them, that's fraud."

Bob Hall with Democracy North Carolina, a voter rights group, said he hears protests about the opposite problem.

"We also get complaints from people who want to provide assistance being told they're not allowed to give it," he said. "They go overboard on the other direction."

It can be hard for observers to tell how much assistance a voter is getting, said Lisa Grafstein, a lawyer for the Disability Rights N.C. advocacy group.

"It is tough, because you can't really get in the middle of that conversation and know what was going on there," she said. "We can't put a block on a whole host of people voting because we suspect there might be some incidental instances of exploitation ... . I don't think the law can really draw a black line like that."

When exploitation does occur, the focus should be on the people manipulating the voters rather than stripping the rights of the disabled, Grafstein said. She likened their situation to that of an elderly person scammed over the phone.

"We don't take their phone away," she said. "We don't punish them for having been manipulated."

Robertson said she's heard general complaints this year but no specific allegations of voter exploitation. Incidents can be reported to the Board of Elections at 678-7733.

Jimmy Green has not lodged an official complaint about his stepdaughter being escorted to the polls. He said he fears reprisals against her from the care home.

"I'm not holding up for either party here in this case," he said, "but it's just not right."

Bartlett's memo acknowledged there could be instances when a voter who is not capable of communicating his identity or voting preference is permitted to vote.

"That consequence is preferable to the conflicting consequence of inappropriately disenfranchising voters merely because of their communications shortcomings," Bartlett wrote. "In the absence of systematic fraud, this imperfect outcome is simply one with which we must live."
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you expect? Voting has always been a contest of fraud and mass mobilization by any means necessary. In that sense it is a fairly decent way to pick a winner and a loser from amongst the various people out there as cunning and persuasion and influence are highly desirable skills in a leader.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the "bus full of retards voting" scare story, if we want to have an honest conversation about what makes an ideally qualified voter, that would be fine, but from my perspective, the overwhelming majority of people vote in such a fashion that said votes are little better than the ballots of a mentally disabled person anyway, so any serious, efficacious qualification is probably going to end up weeding out far more people than perhaps initially anticipated.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Regarding the "bus full of retards voting" scare story

. . .

the overwhelming majority of people vote in such a fashion that said votes are little better than the ballots of a mentally disabled person anyway


There's no tidy legal standard to establish someone's competency to vote. Denying such voters would be a legal nightmare.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
There aren't going to be riots no matter who wins.


10 points to Gryffindor.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
Mark Potok is an ethnic activist who has a very loose relationship with the truth. He hates white people (like Tim Wise, Bill Maher etc) and is not a reliable source. He hates us. His fangs drip with hostility.

Black people have a history of burning down cities when they don't like something. That's a fact.


LOL...translation: 'I have no credible facts to substantiate it, I just like to scare people, playing on your fears and prejudices, hoping the ignorant will buy into it.

AGAIN, the ONLY credible acts have been acts against Obama. Try again. Didn't see Blacks or Latinos rioting over Bush and Cheney...and they had far better reasons than the ones the FBI caught trying to bring down Obama. hahaha...try again.

Wow, amazing people like this still exist.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
There aren't going to be riots no matter who wins.

Honestly, I think there's a pretty decent chance there might be.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
AGAIN, the ONLY credible acts have been acts against Obama. Try again. Didn't see Blacks or Latinos rioting over Bush and Cheney...and they had far better reasons than the ones the FBI caught trying to bring down Obama. hahaha...try again.

Oh please. There haven't been race riots in the US in recent history? You think times have changed so much that you refuse to even entertain the possibility it will happen again? Who do you think you're fooling?

Here, let me help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Modern
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
sirius black wrote:
AGAIN, the ONLY credible acts have been acts against Obama. Try again. Didn't see Blacks or Latinos rioting over Bush and Cheney...and they had far better reasons than the ones the FBI caught trying to bring down Obama. hahaha...try again.

Oh please. There haven't been race riots in the US in recent history? You think times have changed so much that you refuse to even entertain the possibility it will happen again? Who do you think you're fooling?

Here, let me help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Modern



--- None of those modern riots were caused by a presidential election.
--- Furthermore they were isolated to one city per incident.
----And they were limited to six states (out of 50)
--- And in the previous two times when a black person ran for President/presidential nomination (Jesse Jackson and Shirley Chisholm) there were no riots when they lost out.

Which makes the possibility of a nationwide race riot (no matter WHO wins) extremely remote and tenuous.

Yes it's possible

But by the same token it's (highly) improbable.
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catman



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pine for the goold old days when politicians would just buy you booze.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think much will depend on how the election unfolds.

I think if there are widespread cases of fraud, tampering or even physical prevention of people getting to the polls, I think there could be rioting. On the other hand, if it looked like a fair election, I think people will act accordingly.

I also think the country is the most divided it has been since the U.S. Civil War and I think this election has a chance to be the closest, or at least one of the closest, elections in U.S. history.

I also think Obama will go down as one of the most polarizing presidents in U.S. history; people's point of view of him are shockingly disparate from my point of view.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
visitorq wrote:
sirius black wrote:
AGAIN, the ONLY credible acts have been acts against Obama. Try again. Didn't see Blacks or Latinos rioting over Bush and Cheney...and they had far better reasons than the ones the FBI caught trying to bring down Obama. hahaha...try again.

Oh please. There haven't been race riots in the US in recent history? You think times have changed so much that you refuse to even entertain the possibility it will happen again? Who do you think you're fooling?

Here, let me help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Modern



--- None of those modern riots were caused by a presidential election.
--- Furthermore they were isolated to one city per incident.
----And they were limited to six states (out of 50)
--- And in the previous two times when a black person ran for President/presidential nomination (Jesse Jackson and Shirley Chisholm) there were no riots when they lost out.

Which makes the possibility of a nationwide race riot (no matter WHO wins) extremely remote and tenuous.

Yes it's possible

But by the same token it's (highly) improbable.

Who said anything about a "nationwide" riot? None of your points dispel the notion that there may be race riots in some parts of the country if Obama loses. The comparison to Jesse Jackson is untenable since it's doubtful anyone had any expectation at all that he could ever win. Obama is a different story. If he's voted out, a lot of race-obsessed people will see it as a validation of all their complaints (imagined or otherwise).

I can't believe anyone on here actually considers the possibility of riots to be "extremely remote and tenuous". There have been riots sparked over less significant events than the only black president in history being thrown out of office by the electorate.

Also, the list goes back much further than the 80's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#War_and_Inter-War_Period:_1914_-_1945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Postwar_era:_1946_-_1954
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Civil_Rights_and_Black_Power_Movement.27s_Period:_1955_-_1977

Actually, I would say the chance of their not being any sort of riots (should Obama lose) is more remote. Anyway, I'm certainly not hoping for it, nor am I saying it's guaranteed to happen. Just saying I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it does happen.
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