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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
visitorq wrote:
sirius black wrote:
AGAIN, the ONLY credible acts have been acts against Obama. Try again. Didn't see Blacks or Latinos rioting over Bush and Cheney...and they had far better reasons than the ones the FBI caught trying to bring down Obama. hahaha...try again.

Oh please. There haven't been race riots in the US in recent history? You think times have changed so much that you refuse to even entertain the possibility it will happen again? Who do you think you're fooling?

Here, let me help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Modern



--- None of those modern riots were caused by a presidential election.
--- Furthermore they were isolated to one city per incident.
----And they were limited to six states (out of 50)
--- And in the previous two times when a black person ran for President/presidential nomination (Jesse Jackson and Shirley Chisholm) there were no riots when they lost out.

Which makes the possibility of a nationwide race riot (no matter WHO wins) extremely remote and tenuous.

Yes it's possible

But by the same token it's (highly) improbable.

Who said anything about a "nationwide" riot? None of your points dispel the notion that there may be race riots in some parts of the country if Obama loses. The comparison to Jesse Jackson is untenable since it's doubtful anyone had any expectation at all that he could ever win. Obama is a different story. If he's voted out, a lot of race-obsessed people will see it as a validation of all their complaints (imagined or otherwise).

I can't believe anyone on here actually considers the possibility of riots to be "extremely remote and tenuous". There have been riots sparked over less significant events than the only black president in history being thrown out of office by the electorate.

Also, the list goes back much further than the 80's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#War_and_Inter-War_Period:_1914_-_1945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Postwar_era:_1946_-_1954
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Civil_Rights_and_Black_Power_Movement.27s_Period:_1955_-_1977

Actually, I would say the chance of their not being any sort of riots (should Obama lose) is more remote. Anyway, I'm certainly not hoping for it, nor am I saying it's guaranteed to happen. Just saying I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it does happen.


I would think that right wing terror is at least as likely if Romney loses, and considering the odds we'll probably never know about your "race riots".
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
I would think that right wing terror is at least as likely if Romney loses, and considering the odds we'll probably never know about your "race riots".

I post links listing dozens of race riots in modern US history, and they're "my race riots" for pointing it out? What planet do you live on? Do you not remember the LA riots? This sort of thing is not even remotely far-fetched, it has happened many times.

As for "right wing terror", I don't really have a comment since it's a separate issue and I'm not even sure exactly what you mean. Are you thinking Obama getting re-elected could trigger an Oklahoma City bombing type of event? I suppose it's possible, but the odds seem far more remote to me than race riots if Obama loses... Just being realistic here, as I see it.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
Leon wrote:
I would think that right wing terror is at least as likely if Romney loses, and considering the odds we'll probably never know about your "race riots".

I post links listing dozens of race riots in modern US history, and they're "my race riots" for pointing it out? What planet do you live on? Do you not remember the LA riots? This sort of thing is not even remotely far-fetched, it has happened many times.

As for "right wing terror", I don't really have a comment since it's a separate issue and I'm not even sure exactly what you mean. Are you thinking Obama getting re-elected could trigger an Oklahoma City bombing type of event? I suppose it's possible, but the odds seem far more remote to me than race riots if Obama loses... Just being realistic here, as I see it.


I'm not denying that there are race riots, just that there are no signs that there would be one if Obama lost. They are typically caused by police mistreatment, but I can't recall one ever happening due to election results. Dude, there have been several right wing things recently, such as the Sikh temple thing and the soldiers caught planning to assisinate Obama.
http://m.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/prosecutors-us-soldiers-plotted-kill-president-obama/56238/
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
sirius black wrote:
AGAIN, the ONLY credible acts have been acts against Obama. Try again. Didn't see Blacks or Latinos rioting over Bush and Cheney...and they had far better reasons than the ones the FBI caught trying to bring down Obama. hahaha...try again.

Oh please. There haven't been race riots in the US in recent history? You think times have changed so much that you refuse to even entertain the possibility it will happen again? Who do you think you're fooling?

Here, let me help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots#Modern


Silly argument and reasoning. Blacks have had riots before so they will riot now? Silly. The same reasoning says had Obama lost in '08 there would have been riots. You're even looking at the 'whys' of previous riots.
You're fearing a race riot over your own fear and paranoia, possible prejudice and nothing else. Law enforcement, the FBI, the people who actually track these things and they are far more knowledgeable and in a better position to know than you are, aren't concerned. The FBI are far, far more concerned about Titus and his ultra right wing militia aryan buddies who actually want a race war..lol.
The ONLY credible and probable act of violence from the elections are and have been militant whites. That's a fact. No other way to cut that pie.

Wonder if the Mormons will riot? Rolling Eyes
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
I think much will depend on how the election unfolds.

I think if there are widespread cases of fraud, tampering or even physical prevention of people getting to the polls, I think there could be rioting. On the other hand, if it looked like a fair election, I think people will act accordingly.

I also think the country is the most divided it has been since the U.S. Civil War and I think this election has a chance to be the closest, or at least one of the closest, elections in U.S. history.

I also think Obama will go down as one of the most polarizing presidents in U.S. history; people's point of view of him are shockingly disparate from my point of view.


I'm curious to know what Obama has done (or hasn't done) to have polarized us presumably based on race from what i gather from your post since the Civil War is mentioned.

Just curious as to your reasoning.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I think some people think Obama is a black socialist, who has established death panels to kill your grandma and is out to get revenge for on whites for black injustice.

I think others think Obama is a homocidal maniac who is out to start foreign wars and enjoys the idea of killing Americans and Arabs.

I think others think he is a mouthpiece for Wall Street whose goal is fool the rabble into believing that Obama can protect the rabble from Wall Street while Obama lets Wall Street do whatever they want.

I think others see him as a dupe for Israel.

I think others see him as a Muslim who is trying Islamicize America and has drifted

And, yet to others, he is one of the greatest Presidents since World War II, who has signed into law two historic legistlations (Health Care and an end to Don't Ask Don't Tell), who has worked hard to clean up the mess that George Bush left, (preventing a Great Depression, improving the U.S. image abroad, and who has worked tirelessly to end two foreign wars). While President, the U.S. government has actually spent less than anytime since Eisenhower. He has worked to make less regulations. His foreign policy has lead to the death of Osama Bin Laden and promoted democracy in the Middle East with minimal U.S. casualties. And, he has had one of the most scandal free whitehouses ever! And, he has even come out for gay marriage. The list of accomplishments goes on and on actually...including being a fairly good administrator (as shown with Sandy)...all despite the fact that the Republicans have been trying to ambush everything he has tried to accomplish putting the Republican political interests above the national interests.

So, yes, I see him as a very polarizing figure. I don't think it is because of anything he has done. But, I think Americans have come to view him extremely disparately. You either like him or you see him as evil incarnate - that is a pretty disparate view. And, yes, I do think race and racism does play some role in it. While I don't think anybody would admit it openly, I do think a fear of black people does play some role in this disparity of view but I don't think it is the only reason.

Just my two cents and you can take it for whatever it is worth.
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actionjackson



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
Well, I think some people think Obama is a black socialist, who has established death panels to kill your grandma and is out to get revenge for on whites for black injustice.

I think others think Obama is a homocidal maniac who is out to start foreign wars and enjoys the idea of killing Americans and Arabs.

I think others think he is a mouthpiece for Wall Street whose goal is fool the rabble into believing that Obama can protect the rabble from Wall Street while Obama lets Wall Street do whatever they want.

I think others see him as a dupe for Israel.

I think others see him as a Muslim who is trying Islamicize America and has drifted

And, yet to others, he is one of the greatest Presidents since World War II, who has signed into law two historic legistlations (Health Care and an end to Don't Ask Don't Tell), who has worked hard to clean up the mess that George Bush left, (preventing a Great Depression, improving the U.S. image abroad, and who has worked tirelessly to end two foreign wars). While President, the U.S. government has actually spent less than anytime since Eisenhower. He has worked to make less regulations. His foreign policy has lead to the death of Osama Bin Laden and promoted democracy in the Middle East with minimal U.S. casualties. And, he has had one of the most scandal free whitehouses ever! And, he has even come out for gay marriage. The list of accomplishments goes on and on actually...including being a fairly good administrator (as shown with Sandy)...all despite the fact that the Republicans have been trying to ambush everything he has tried to accomplish putting the Republican political interests above the national interests.

So, yes, I see him as a very polarizing figure. I don't think it is because of anything he has done. But, I think Americans have come to view him extremely disparately. You either like him or you see him as evil incarnate - that is a pretty disparate view. And, yes, I do think race and racism does play some role in it. While I don't think anybody would admit it openly, I do think a fear of black people does play some role in this disparity of view but I don't think it is the only reason.

Just my two cents and you can take it for whatever it is worth.


Oh, I got one. I was watching interviews of people at a Romney rally and one nice old lady said he was a 20 year follower of Jeremiah Right, Islamic, atheist. When pressed further on which one he was, he was all of 'em.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote