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actionjackson



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So does this have any impact on what will happen in the region?
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Hard-hit by sanctions, Iran suspends 20-percent uranium enrichment.

Iran has suspended 20-percent uranium enrichment in order to have Western-imposed sanctions lifted, a parliament member told Al Arabiya on Saturday.

Earlier, Foreign Policy and National Security Commission of Parliament Mohammad Hossein Asfari told ISNA news agency that Tehran’s move was a “good will” gesture, hoping that Western countries will lift their sanctions on Tehran.

Fereydoun Abbasi, head of Iran’s atomic energy organization, told ISNA on Oct.31 that Tehran was completing the installation of centrifuges at Fordow uranium enrichment plant.

Twenty percent uranium enrichment is thought to be only a short step toward nuclear-grade enrichment.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/04/247475.html[/quote]
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/peres-iran-s-quest-for-nuclear-arms-heralds-another-holocaust.premium-1.476178

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President Shimon Peres on Thursday urged his Russian and American counterparts to "join hands to put an end to the dark terror and threats," warning that Iran's quest for a nuclear weapon "heralds another Holocaust."


He is hysterical and is projecting.

http://melaniephillips.com/america-goes-into-the-darkness
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With four more years of Obama in the White House, Iran can now be sure that it will be able to complete its infernal construction of a genocide bomb to use against the Jews and the west. World War Three has now come a lot closer.


Hysterical. Genocide bomb.

http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/08/netanyahu-sought-to-provoke-iran-war-drag-in-us-in-2010/print/

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In 2010, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu aimed to provoke Iran into a war with Israel that would eventually drag in the United States. Yossi Melman at Al-Monitor [1]:

The truth is that Netanyahu and Barak did not order the military to plan a direct, all-out attack on Iran. Their true intention was to trigger a chain of events [2] which would create tension [3]and provoke Iran, and eventually could have led to a war that might drag in the United States.

Laura Rosen acknowledges [4] recent reporting [5] that “Netanyahu was not planning to launch an all-out attack on Iran in 2010,” but rather to provoke Iran into striking first.

Think about the context of this. Netanyahu and Barak so desperately craved war that they sought to harass and threaten Iran in order to appear a credible and imminent enough threat that Iran would strike preemptively, despite being a much weaker power. And the US – Israel’s one major ally, their primary source of economic and military aid, the only reason the international community hasn’t forced them to stop committing crimes against the Palestinians – was to get dragged into this long and discretionary war.

American taxpayers are giving up $3 billion dollars a year, plus a poisoned political system where submissive deference to Israel is all but mandatory, to a country that literally planned to get thousands of our soldiers killed, hundreds of billions of our dollars wasted, and to destabilize the entire Middle East.

Melman continues:

One such scary scenario was the possibility that Iranian intelligence could have noticed the Israeli military preparations and decided to stage a pre-emptive strike against Israel or US targets in the region. Israel, in such a situation, would have claimed that it was a victim of Iranian aggression and retaliated. America, too, could have found itself caught up in an unpredictable circle of violence.

Sources who were privy to the secret deliberations told me that Ashkenazi and Dagan eventually managed to convince the security cabinet and then the full cabinet, which are the only authorized bodies to decide on war and other vital issues, that Netanyahu and Barak were playing with fire and may not only ignite a regional war in the Middle East, but also ruin decades of close, intimate strategic cooperation with the US.

Imagine the outrage, the indignation, if it were publicly revealed that the leadership in any other country in the world did this to the United States. Can you even imagine any plausible scenario where aid and support would continue?

By the way, we’ve seen this kind of thinking before right here in the United States. In September, Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy caught a lot of attention [6] when he suggested the United States should provoke Iran into starting a war. These examples should illustrate just how (un)necessary a war with Iran is, given that Iran seemingly refuses to be the one to start it.


They can not be trusted. At this point I automatically assume that every single world is exactly opposite of the truth.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:

I've already said I oppose any actions against Iran that would let blood. But I can't bring myself to oppose sanctions or computer viruses. I am against the targeting and killing of Iranian scientists.


http://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2012/11/08/stuxnet-infected-chevrons-it-network/

Maybe the use of computer viruses isn't so wise.
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Unibrow



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://rt.com/news/iran-ahmadinejad-nuclear-retarded-320/

'Anyone stockpiling nuclear weapons is mentally retarded' – Ahmadinejad
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, Iran having a nuke isnt good (that goes for any country). I support sanctions to prevent or punish as well as to make them compliant with int‘l laws if they do but the premise that they will arbitrarily attack Isreal or anyone else if they do get one is so remote it should not be included as a reason for attack.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
Again, Iran having a nuke isnt good (that goes for any country). I support sanctions to prevent or punish as well as to make them compliant with int‘l laws if they do but the premise that they will arbitrarily attack Isreal or anyone else if they do get one is so remote it should not be included as a reason for attack.

Can you name a time when sanctions ever worked? Other than starving the local population and killing off children, what purpose does it serve? Honestly, if you support sanctions then it's because you had that notion planted into your head by the media. Give it some thought and I'm sure you'll see...
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Unibrow



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
Again, Iran having a nuke isnt good (that goes for any country). I support sanctions to prevent or punish as well as to make them compliant with int‘l laws if they do but the premise that they will arbitrarily attack Isreal or anyone else if they do get one is so remote it should not be included as a reason for attack.


Then the US and Russia should start eliminating their massive stockpiles of weapons. Israel should declare their weapons as well.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
the premise that they will arbitrarily attack Isreal or anyone else if they do get one is so remote it should not be included as a reason for attack.


Not exactly remote.

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The Iranian government and Lebanese militia group Hezbollah have been formally charged over the 1994 bombing of a Jewish centre in Buenos Aires.
Argentine prosecutors are calling for the arrest of former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani and seven others.

Chief prosecutor Alberto Nisman accused the Iranian authorities of directing Hezbollah to carry out the attack.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6085768.stm


Iran has already proven its intention to attack Israelis.
Never mind what it has publicly said.

Below is a street scene in Iran.
http://i26.tinypic.com/160osxc.jpg

How many governments daily promote killing Jews? Apart from the Nazi party in 1939.
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Unibrow



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Below are street scenes from Israel
http://imgur.com/CkMb7.jpg
http://imgur.com/N7ksK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uq3lG.jpg

Yesterday, Israeli's killed a 13 year old boy in Gaza. Who are the real terrorists here?
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=535839
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unibrow wrote:
Below are street scenes from Israel
http://imgur.com/CkMb7.jpg
http://imgur.com/N7ksK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uq3lG.jpg


Your snapshots come without documentation or provenance. Palestinians routinely stage and fabricate scenes for propoganda purposes.

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Yesterday, Israeli's killed a 13 year old boy in Gaza.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=535839


If true (palestinians often lie to the lapdog international media) - then it was an unintentional accident.

Israel takes care to avoid targetting civilians- unlike the Palestinians who have a policy of randomly killing Israeli women and children.

That is exactly what islamic jihad intended yesterday when they fired 70 rockets into Israel. Why should any nation have to sit back and tolerate such an attack?

Palestinians routinely strap bombs to their children, they also use them as human shields. They send them into Israeli areas and detonate them.

So who is deliberately putting Palestinian kids in danger here?
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Unibrow



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Unibrow wrote:
Below are street scenes from Israel
http://imgur.com/CkMb7.jpg
http://imgur.com/N7ksK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uq3lG.jpg


Your snapshots come without documentation or provenance. Palestinians routinely stage and fabricate scenes for propoganda purposes.

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Yesterday, Israeli's killed a 13 year old boy in Gaza.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=535839


If true (palestinians often lie to the lapdog international media) - then it was an unintentional accident.

Israel takes care to avoid targetting civilians- unlike the Palestinians who have a policy of randomly killing Israeli women and children.

That is exactly what islamic jihad intended yesterday when they fired 70 rockets into Israel. Why should any nation have to sit back and tolerate such an attack?

Palestinians routinely strap bombs to their children, they also use them as human shields. They send them into Israeli areas and detonate them.

So who is deliberately putting Palestinian kids in danger here?


Settlers and the IDF kill children. Here's some documentation to go along with my earlier post about the killing of a child playing soccer with his friends.

Settlers kill eight year old girl: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-130282/Jewish-settlers-kill-Palestinian-girl.html
14 year old girl killed in Hebron: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1402968/Jewish-settlers-kill-girl-14-in-funeral-rampage.html
At least 3 children killed in settler on Palestinian violence: http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/1712-report-settlers-kill-3-palestinian-children-and-wound-scores-of-others-over-a-2-year-period

It's clear that the IDF and extremist settlers have no regard for the lives of Palestinian children.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unibrow wrote:
sirius black wrote:
Again, Iran having a nuke isnt good (that goes for any country). I support sanctions to prevent or punish as well as to make them compliant with int‘l laws if they do but the premise that they will arbitrarily attack Isreal or anyone else if they do get one is so remote it should not be included as a reason for attack.


Then the US and Russia should start eliminating their massive stockpiles of weapons. Israel should declare their weapons as well.


We have. We have helped Russia and their former satelites decommission a lot of nukes.

I am for everyone declaring it and being signatories to international organizations that address that.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
sirius black wrote:
the premise that they will arbitrarily attack Isreal or anyone else if they do get one is so remote it should not be included as a reason for attack.


Not exactly remote.

Quote:
The Iranian government and Lebanese militia group Hezbollah have been formally charged over the 1994 bombing of a Jewish centre in Buenos Aires.
Argentine prosecutors are calling for the arrest of former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani and seven others.

Chief prosecutor Alberto Nisman accused the Iranian authorities of directing Hezbollah to carry out the attack.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6085768.stm


Iran has already proven its intention to attack Israelis.
Never mind what it has publicly said.

Below is a street scene in Iran.
http://i26.tinypic.com/160osxc.jpg

How many governments daily promote killing Jews? Apart from the Nazi party in 1939.


Saudi Arabia has awarded groups, publicly talks about the demise of Israel. Do you think SA will attack Israel?

Its what they do. They talk and even given money to groups. Sending a nuke is another matter. Pakistan is no friend of Israel either, they aren't sending nukes there.

Iran is a multicultural society far more moderate than most of the others. There are all kinds of people there including Jews. The populace is actually very pro western and wants a closer relationship with America. Its also one of the youngest countries in the region with a large percentage of its people under 35.

Don't believe the lie that they will send a nuke to Israel if they get one. The militarists in this country wants you to believe that so we can have another war to line their pockets.

Its a non starter. Even Israeli's generals and people who study this type of thing don't think so.

Its NOT gonna happen.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
sirius black wrote:
Again, Iran having a nuke isnt good (that goes for any country). I support sanctions to prevent or punish as well as to make them compliant with int‘l laws if they do but the premise that they will arbitrarily attack Isreal or anyone else if they do get one is so remote it should not be included as a reason for attack.

Can you name a time when sanctions ever worked? Other than starving the local population and killing off children, what purpose does it serve? Honestly, if you support sanctions then it's because you had that notion planted into your head by the media. Give it some thought and I'm sure you'll see...


Sanctions need wide, across the board support to work. They haven't worked because China and Russia haven't been supportive of sanctions on the security counsel.

If the world acts in concert it will work. It won't work if its arbitrary. There is money to be made and some countries will exploit it. So, I agree they haven't worked well but its because of support. My support for sanctions is based on broad support.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Iran is rational they will get a nuke. Once that happens Iran will be like the 13th floor of a building. The West will ignore them and continue to bait other oil-rich Middle Eastern countries with no nukes to go to war with.
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