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Seoul Bars and Restaurants to Be Smoke Free by 2020.
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FDNY



Joined: 27 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject: Seoul Bars and Restaurants to Be Smoke Free by 2020. Reply with quote

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/11/116_124572.html

However, I think this will be a law similar to:

-stopping at red lights
-driving motorbikes on the sidewalk
-parking on sidewalks
-littering

In my opinion Korean politicians are useless. The laws they pass are mindless copies of laws other countries pass. The police who enforce these laws are self-serving amateurs and totally inneffective.

Bottom line: Bring your smokes to restaurants. No problems.
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Kimchifart



Joined: 15 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: Seoul Bars and Restaurants to Be Smoke Free by 2020. Reply with quote

FDNY wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/11/116_124572.html

However, I think this will be a law similar to:

-stopping at red lights
-driving motorbikes on the sidewalk
-parking on sidewalks
-littering

In my opinion Korean politicians are useless. The laws they pass are mindless copies of laws other countries pass. The police who enforce these laws are self-serving amateurs and totally inneffective.

Bottom line: Bring your smokes to restaurants. No problems.


If they were serious about doing it they'd just ban it across the whole country from next year with huge fines for breaches. But they won't, because they're not.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: sokcho

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The govt is currently hosting a big international anti-tobacco conference so they had to issue some kind of statement. 2020 is pretty remote. A lot of restaurants have already gone non-smoking but Korea is & will remain a relative haven for smokers for a good while yet.
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SwissJames



Joined: 21 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure I heard all of this chat back in about 2005.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Seoul Bars and Restaurants to Be Smoke Free by 2020. Reply with quote

Kimchifart wrote:
FDNY wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/11/116_124572.html

However, I think this will be a law similar to:

-stopping at red lights
-driving motorbikes on the sidewalk
-parking on sidewalks
-littering

In my opinion Korean politicians are useless. The laws they pass are mindless copies of laws other countries pass. The police who enforce these laws are self-serving amateurs and totally inneffective.

Bottom line: Bring your smokes to restaurants. No problems.


If they were serious about doing it they'd just ban it across the whole country from next year with huge fines for breaches. But they won't, because they're not.


Nothing says smart, critical thinking like supporting Prohibition. Worked like a charm with drugs & alcohol!
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Unibrow



Joined: 20 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is crap. I want to smoke in a restaurant. If you don't like it, find a non smoking place.
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JustinC



Joined: 10 Mar 2012
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smoking is possible in many countries in Europe and all sorts of public places. I wouldn't say the German, Spanish, French, Polish, Austrian etc politicians are useless, they perform the task of puppets of the banks with admiral doggedness.

t/jack
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard 99% of Korean law makers smoke. Those ajussies and ajummas will smoke anywhere they like because they are the law makers.
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course the prohibition of smoking in restaurants and pubs is possible. These laws are enacted and enforced across most of North America. Now it's second nature. I never see smokers even thinking of lighting up in a pub or restaurant back home.

Unfortunately, this is Korea which lacks four basic elements for this to be effective.

- enforcement by the restaurant or pub
- enforcement by the police
- a sense of civic responsibility
- an understanding that rules apply to everyone (including you ajoshi)

Not going to happen here. How's the law against motorcycles on Seoul's sidewalks progressing? Wasn't that enacted four years ago. Confused
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drydell



Joined: 01 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has been going a weird direction with banning smoking..
Total prohibition in various outside areas like some parks and beaches.. which even I as a militant born again non-smoker find a bit excessive.. But not following other countries (for a long time it seems) in a ban at all eateries and bars.. daft..

I think if it was enacted it would be followed and enforced..I can see Koreans making complaints to staff against rule breaking smokers (no confrontation needed) - they can't really do the same with a pavement motorcyclists unless they chase them and confront them directly..
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drydell wrote:
I think if it was enacted it would be followed and enforced..


Very Happy
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking all the fun out of kalbi dinners and bar jaunts. I don't mind the restaurants so much but the bars will sting smoker/drinker folks bad. I'd prefer they simply encouraged bars to go non-smoking (tax break, requiring a license to permit smoking, something like that) and let places choose.
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a smoker but this is stupid. Why not have smoking areas within bars?
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: however Reply with quote

If smoking was only harmful to the person smoking, then this law would be stupid, but sense there are others who like to have a drink without having to inhale smoke all night then I think it is a good thing. Having to wash my coat after going to a bar is annoying too.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Unfortunately, this is Korea which lacks four basic elements for this to be effective.

- enforcement by the restaurant or pub
- enforcement by the police
- a sense of civic responsibility
- an understanding that rules apply to everyone (including you ajoshi)


Thankfully I can go back home to a land where citizens follow the government's orders regarding ordinances and regulations. And a non-corrupt, non-brutal, non-biased against minorities police force that isn't in the pocket of the prison-industrial complex.
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