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FDNY
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:50 pm Post subject: Seoul Bars and Restaurants to Be Smoke Free by 2020. |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/11/116_124572.html
However, I think this will be a law similar to:
-stopping at red lights
-driving motorbikes on the sidewalk
-parking on sidewalks
-littering
In my opinion Korean politicians are useless. The laws they pass are mindless copies of laws other countries pass. The police who enforce these laws are self-serving amateurs and totally inneffective.
Bottom line: Bring your smokes to restaurants. No problems. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:01 am Post subject: Re: Seoul Bars and Restaurants to Be Smoke Free by 2020. |
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FDNY wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/11/116_124572.html
However, I think this will be a law similar to:
-stopping at red lights
-driving motorbikes on the sidewalk
-parking on sidewalks
-littering
In my opinion Korean politicians are useless. The laws they pass are mindless copies of laws other countries pass. The police who enforce these laws are self-serving amateurs and totally inneffective.
Bottom line: Bring your smokes to restaurants. No problems. |
If they were serious about doing it they'd just ban it across the whole country from next year with huge fines for breaches. But they won't, because they're not. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:22 am Post subject: |
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The govt is currently hosting a big international anti-tobacco conference so they had to issue some kind of statement. 2020 is pretty remote. A lot of restaurants have already gone non-smoking but Korea is & will remain a relative haven for smokers for a good while yet. |
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SwissJames
Joined: 21 Dec 2011
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure I heard all of this chat back in about 2005. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Seoul Bars and Restaurants to Be Smoke Free by 2020. |
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Kimchifart wrote: |
FDNY wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/11/116_124572.html
However, I think this will be a law similar to:
-stopping at red lights
-driving motorbikes on the sidewalk
-parking on sidewalks
-littering
In my opinion Korean politicians are useless. The laws they pass are mindless copies of laws other countries pass. The police who enforce these laws are self-serving amateurs and totally inneffective.
Bottom line: Bring your smokes to restaurants. No problems. |
If they were serious about doing it they'd just ban it across the whole country from next year with huge fines for breaches. But they won't, because they're not. |
Nothing says smart, critical thinking like supporting Prohibition. Worked like a charm with drugs & alcohol! |
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Unibrow
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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That is crap. I want to smoke in a restaurant. If you don't like it, find a non smoking place. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Smoking is possible in many countries in Europe and all sorts of public places. I wouldn't say the German, Spanish, French, Polish, Austrian etc politicians are useless, they perform the task of puppets of the banks with admiral doggedness.
t/jack |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I heard 99% of Korean law makers smoke. Those ajussies and ajummas will smoke anywhere they like because they are the law makers. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Of course the prohibition of smoking in restaurants and pubs is possible. These laws are enacted and enforced across most of North America. Now it's second nature. I never see smokers even thinking of lighting up in a pub or restaurant back home.
Unfortunately, this is Korea which lacks four basic elements for this to be effective.
- enforcement by the restaurant or pub
- enforcement by the police
- a sense of civic responsibility
- an understanding that rules apply to everyone (including you ajoshi)
Not going to happen here. How's the law against motorcycles on Seoul's sidewalks progressing? Wasn't that enacted four years ago. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Korea has been going a weird direction with banning smoking..
Total prohibition in various outside areas like some parks and beaches.. which even I as a militant born again non-smoker find a bit excessive.. But not following other countries (for a long time it seems) in a ban at all eateries and bars.. daft..
I think if it was enacted it would be followed and enforced..I can see Koreans making complaints to staff against rule breaking smokers (no confrontation needed) - they can't really do the same with a pavement motorcyclists unless they chase them and confront them directly.. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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drydell wrote: |
I think if it was enacted it would be followed and enforced.. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Taking all the fun out of kalbi dinners and bar jaunts. I don't mind the restaurants so much but the bars will sting smoker/drinker folks bad. I'd prefer they simply encouraged bars to go non-smoking (tax break, requiring a license to permit smoking, something like that) and let places choose. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Not a smoker but this is stupid. Why not have smoking areas within bars? |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:58 am Post subject: however |
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If smoking was only harmful to the person smoking, then this law would be stupid, but sense there are others who like to have a drink without having to inhale smoke all night then I think it is a good thing. Having to wash my coat after going to a bar is annoying too. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, this is Korea which lacks four basic elements for this to be effective.
- enforcement by the restaurant or pub
- enforcement by the police
- a sense of civic responsibility
- an understanding that rules apply to everyone (including you ajoshi) |
Thankfully I can go back home to a land where citizens follow the government's orders regarding ordinances and regulations. And a non-corrupt, non-brutal, non-biased against minorities police force that isn't in the pocket of the prison-industrial complex. |
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