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CentralCali
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still wondering why the pedestrian overpass near Busanjin Subway Station was removed and replaced with, you guessed it, a "zebra" crossing. That's kind of a wide road to be doing the "X Marks the Pedwalk Shuffle". |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I've always believed that you can tell a great deal about a culture, and what it values, by the way its citizens drive. Unfortunately, what Korean driving habits reveal about Korea and its values isn't very flattering. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:02 am Post subject: |
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I assume you are referring to this quote from them?
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It is safer to use pedestrian underpasses and overpasses where available. |
So no they are not saying what you claim they are saying at all.
Saying that pedestrian underpasses and overpasses are safer is not the same as saying the crosswalks are not safe for human usage.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
I've always believed that you can tell a great deal about a culture, and what it values, by the way its citizens drive. Unfortunately, what Korean driving habits reveal about Korea and its values isn't very flattering. |
That's the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Nazi Germany had autobahns and nice traffic. Great culture and values there. India during its liberation movement had anarchic traffic, yet gained its democracy through non-violent non-cooperation.
You can tell a lot about a person based upon the off-the-wall criteria they use to try and judge criteria and how well they think it through. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Scorpion wrote: |
I've always believed that you can tell a great deal about a culture, and what it values, by the way its citizens drive. Unfortunately, what Korean driving habits reveal about Korea and its values isn't very flattering. |
That's the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Nazi Germany had autobahns and nice traffic. Great culture and values there. India during its liberation movement had anarchic traffic, yet gained its democracy through non-violent non-cooperation.
You can tell a lot about a person based upon the off-the-wall criteria they use to try and judge criteria and how well they think it through. |
I agree with this. It's one thing to state a subjective opinion. It's quite another to treat it as a fact and draw conclusions from it. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
I've always believed that you can tell a great deal about a culture, and what it values, by the way its citizens drive. Unfortunately, what Korean driving habits reveal about Korea and its values isn't very flattering. |
Look, we get it, you hate Korea. Can you at least stick to somewhat plausible reality? |
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highstreet
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
I've always believed that you can tell a great deal about a culture, and what it values, by the way its citizens drive. Unfortunately, what Korean driving habits reveal about Korea and its values isn't very flattering. |
you're crazy man, I like you, but you're crazy |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, pulleeaasse. If you can't see the connection between Korean driving culture and the larger culture you are either a) blind b) ideologically obsessed with defending Korea at all costs or c) a newb still in the honeymoon period. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
Oh, pulleeaasse. If you can't see the connection between Korean driving culture and the larger culture you are either a) blind b) ideologically obsessed with defending Korea at all costs or c) a newb still in the honeymoon period. |
Of course there's a connection, but you're hijacking the thread, just like all those Korean drivers running the red, getting stuck in the intersection, and blocking oncoming traffic. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Scorpion wrote: |
I've always believed that you can tell a great deal about a culture, and what it values, by the way its citizens drive. Unfortunately, what Korean driving habits reveal about Korea and its values isn't very flattering. |
That's the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Nazi Germany had autobahns and nice traffic. Great culture and values there. India during its liberation movement had anarchic traffic, yet gained its democracy through non-violent non-cooperation.
You can tell a lot about a person based upon the off-the-wall criteria they use to try and judge criteria and how well they think it through. |
Yes, well you've managed to illustrate that quite clearly here, SR. Autobahns were conceived and begun in the 1920s, well before the Nazi party had influence. And, Nazi Germany had 'nice traffic', huh? Exactly what resources show how 'nice' the traffic was in Nazi Germany?
India's Independence Movement was largely political, not a reflection on refining traffic and road safety. Of course politics is intertwined with culture but you're citing a political movement as if it were a cultural movement.
There are obvious parallels between driving culture and national culture as a whole.
http://www.aaafoundation.org/pdf/MoeckliLee.pdf
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/dangerous-driving-is-rooted-in-uae-culture-poll-suggests |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I nearly got hit by a car today when I was coming home from work on my bike. I managed to break in time. The car tried to drive off but got stuck in traffic so I gave it a nudge with my bike (pedal bike). The woman got out of the car and was very apologetic. The fact that she was so apologetic made me a lot calmer. I accepted the apology and went on my way, as did she. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Seoulman69 wrote: |
I nearly got hit by a car today when I was coming home from work on my bike. I managed to break in time. The car tried to drive off but got stuck in traffic so I gave it a nudge with my bike (pedal bike). The woman got out of the car and was very apologetic. The fact that she was so apologetic made me a lot calmer. I accepted the apology and went on my way, as did she. |
Unfortunately her driving style won't change one iota. You called her out and she was embarrassed. To defuse the situation she apologized. Will she adjust her driving behavior in the future? Not one bit. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
Seoulman69 wrote: |
I nearly got hit by a car today when I was coming home from work on my bike. I managed to break in time. The car tried to drive off but got stuck in traffic so I gave it a nudge with my bike (pedal bike). The woman got out of the car and was very apologetic. The fact that she was so apologetic made me a lot calmer. I accepted the apology and went on my way, as did she. |
Unfortunately her driving style won't change one iota. You called her out and she was embarrassed. To defuse the situation she apologized. Will she adjust her driving behavior in the future? Not one bit. |
More than likely you're right. I can imagine a Korean driver running over a pedestrian, dragging them for 50 meters or so, and then just driving off with their flashers on--"I'm sorry, I'm sorry..." and never giving the incident a second thought. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
Seoulman69 wrote: |
I nearly got hit by a car today when I was coming home from work on my bike. I managed to break in time. The car tried to drive off but got stuck in traffic so I gave it a nudge with my bike (pedal bike). The woman got out of the car and was very apologetic. The fact that she was so apologetic made me a lot calmer. I accepted the apology and went on my way, as did she. |
Unfortunately her driving style won't change one iota. You called her out and she was embarrassed. To defuse the situation she apologized. Will she adjust her driving behavior in the future? Not one bit. |
I assume because she is Korean and thus it is impossible for her to show learning, compassion, understanding or self-reflection? Or are you going to change the record and blame it on her being a woman? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
ideologically obsessed with defending Korea at all costs. |
What's the opposite of this, by the way? |
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