Site Search:
 
TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Hagwon "May Have To Close"
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: sokcho

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP's initial mistakes are excusable, but her defense of them is not.

Sympathies to the owner on this one. A hagwon teacher has some responsibility to make classes attractive to students (customers).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
No, don't say hajima. You are an English "teacher," tell them to stop it. Use English, not Korean.
God I'm embarrassed of the "teachers" I am associated with. You guys have no idea how to teach. Not qualified, not good, pathetic. It takes more to be a teacher than your mother tongue. Most "teachers" here are no better than your average Wal-Mart employee stocking shelves


Dodge don't blame the teachers, blame the people who hire them and say them in the advert 'young American female wanted, no experience necessary'
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
Quote:
No, don't say hajima. You are an English "teacher," tell them to stop it. Use English, not Korean.
God I'm embarrassed of the "teachers" I am associated with. You guys have no idea how to teach. Not qualified, not good, pathetic. It takes more to be a teacher than your mother tongue. Most "teachers" here are no better than your average Wal-Mart employee stocking shelves


Dodge don't blame the teachers, blame the people who hire them and say them in the advert 'young American female wanted, no experience necessary'

True enough.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
scorpiocandy



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANYWAY ... back on topic

It sounds like you might be at the start of a set-up for a firing. I've had this happen to me and seen it happen to friends. The schools usually tend to have fluctuations in their attendance, especially around exams and vacation times, but owners will sometimes use this as an excuse to get rid of staff.

It could be that no matter what you do, it's not going to satistfy your boss. Follow the instruction, but I suspect that in a week (or a few weeks) you'll be called in again for some other problem that you are the cause of.

"Your students say that you are not fun anymore. Please try to be more interesting and play more games". Next week, "you are playing too many games and the parents are complaining."

Many times there really isn't anything that you can do.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Blanca



Joined: 19 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Firstly, thank you Dodge for the malicious personal attacks on my character, about which you know nothing. I'll have you know that whilst I am inexperienced and am clearly making grave errors, I'm doing my best for the kids and am always striving to improve, not bitterly slagging someone off over an Internet forum. Shame on you. Also, for your information I'm a British male, so you know what you can do with your assumptions. If you were some teaching maestro I doubt you'd be skulking around an Internet forum putting down those in need of help. Re-evaluate yourself.

To everyone else, in a nutshell I've had no training or guidance of any kind and there's no real curriculum. The kids come to me, I work my way through whatever textbook trying to drag some speech out of them, then we play a game. You could say I wing it. For 9 months this has been completely fine and there have been zero issues. I have some freedom in the classroom, moreso with the middle schoolers, but in all honesty I'm at a loss about what to do with a load of surly teenagers from whom I have to drag even the most basic sentence.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blanca wrote:
Wow. Firstly, thank you Dodge for the malicious personal attacks on my character, about which you know nothing. I'll have you know that whilst I am inexperienced and am clearly making grave errors, I'm doing my best for the kids and am always striving to improve, not bitterly slagging someone off over an Internet forum. Shame on you. Also, for your information I'm a British male, so you know what you can do with your assumptions. If you were some teaching maestro I doubt you'd be skulking around an Internet forum putting down those in need of help. Re-evaluate yourself.

To everyone else, in a nutshell I've had no training or guidance of any kind and there's no real curriculum. The kids come to me, I work my way through whatever textbook trying to drag some speech out of them, then we play a game. You could say I wing it. For 9 months this has been completely fine and there have been zero issues. I have some freedom in the classroom, moreso with the middle schoolers, but in all honesty I'm at a loss about what to do with a load of surly teenagers from whom I have to drag even the most basic sentence.


Teenagers who don't want to talk?

1) Close ended questions (yes/no questions) and follow-up with open ended questions (Why?). Model the answers if necessary, making sure the student repeats after you if he or she is resistant. That will make it clear that being moody and shy isn't acceptable without saying it explicitly. They'll eventually become accustomed to hearing themselves talk in English and you'll be showing them that you are in control of the class. They'll respect you more for it.

2) Praise the ones who make an effort. The other ones will be jealous and follow.

3) Spend a few minutes talking about what they did that week or that day. It's easier for learners to talk about themselves (don't get into too many personal details, though). They've got exams coming up in the next week or two, talk about that. If they resist, do what I suggested in number 1.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: sokcho

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blanca wrote:
You could say I wing it.

No one is saying you should be some master teacher after 9 months, but thats long enough to develop some skills, even by trial & error. The tweaks your boss suggests are valid, but if your quote above is accurate, sounds to me like there are deeper underlying problems with your performance.

You're the sole foreign teacher in your school. You're a key expensive factor in your boss's business strategy. Students are quitting in droves. Your boss sounds reasonably patient but there comes a point. You need to spend some effort outside the classroom learning how to teach.

Maybe you're unsuited to teaching. Thats not a slam against you, not everyone is.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
greene wrote:
don't tell students to shut up

tell them ha-ji-ma

No, don't say hajima. You are an English "teacher," tell them to stop it. Use English, not Korean.
God I'm embarrassed of the "teachers" I am associated with. You guys have no idea how to teach. Not qualified, not good, pathetic. It takes more to be a teacher than your mother tongue. Most "teachers" here are no better than your average Wal-Mart employee stocking shelves.


Another high and mighty post from the king of that. If you are so qualified and such a good teacher (you have mentioned that ad-nauseum), then why did you have to go to Korea to teach ESL in the first place, D7? We already know why you stay there (which is pathetic in its own right and dropped ad-nauseum as well). Wouldn't it just be easier to accept the fact that you are the one that you constantly refers others to be?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blanca wrote:
I think you miss my point. I jokingly tell kids they are smelly and they jokingly respond with things like "no Teacher, you are crazy!". It's all in good humour and I'd never maliciously tell a child they smell, even if they did.

Similarly, I only tell children who are being a pain in the arse to "shut up". You know the ones, the ones that will not do as they're told and are all-round little so-and-sos.

I take your point though, but yes, I've got a lack of experience. I've been an Englishee "teacher" for 9 months. I'm going to make mistakes, which I'm going to correct immediately according to what the boss wants.


Totally agree with you about the banter.

Totally disagree about the "shut up". It's way too harsh, IMO .
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Blanca wrote:
I think you miss my point. I jokingly tell kids they are smelly and they jokingly respond with things like "no Teacher, you are crazy!". It's all in good humour and I'd never maliciously tell a child they smell, even if they did.

Similarly, I only tell children who are being a pain in the arse to "shut up". You know the ones, the ones that will not do as they're told and are all-round little so-and-sos.

I take your point though, but yes, I've got a lack of experience. I've been an Englishee "teacher" for 9 months. I'm going to make mistakes, which I'm going to correct immediately according to what the boss wants.


Totally agree with you about the banter.

Totally disagree about the "shut up". It's way too harsh, IMO .


Care to elaborate why you totally disagree and think "shut up" is way too harsh?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

double post

Last edited by byrddogs on Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:04 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
For 9 months this has been completely fine and there have been zero issues. I have some freedom in the classroom, moreso with the middle schoolers, but in all honesty I'm at a loss about what to do with a load of surly teenagers from whom I have to drag even the most basic sentence.


Don't get too worried with all this. If you went 9 months, they are obviously seeing the end and preparing.

It is quite possible they did not get enough money from parents and now they are trying to save rather than make money. The next phase is to get another teacher regardless what you do and how good/bad you are at teaching. Then they get parents to send their child back to the school because there is a "new teacher". It's the "new iphone" trick.

iphone 4s comes out, gotta have it, the new iphone 5 comes out, gotta have it. Forget the 4s, it's old now.

They have no desire in keeping a teacher. Unless you are going to follow your owner around turning lights on and off and opening doors the whole day for them, you are of no use and now a burden.

Even a pencil that still works is replaced after it reaches a certain shortness. You have reached your end, try to get a new school and transfer.


Last edited by YTMND on Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Care to elaborate why you totally disagree and think "shut up" is way too harsh?


'Shut up' is considered un PC these days as the kids should be called 'students', treated like 'customers' and not have their self esteem harmed. No matter what they get up to.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
Quote:
Care to elaborate why you totally disagree and think "shut up" is way too harsh?


'Shut up' is considered un PC these days as the kids should be called 'students', treated like 'customers' and not have their self esteem harmed. No matter what they get up to.


Yeah, I thought as much. Context and delivery are key to using that term imo.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

byrddogs wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
greene wrote:
don't tell students to shut up

tell them ha-ji-ma

No, don't say hajima. You are an English "teacher," tell them to stop it. Use English, not Korean.
God I'm embarrassed of the "teachers" I am associated with. You guys have no idea how to teach. Not qualified, not good, pathetic. It takes more to be a teacher than your mother tongue. Most "teachers" here are no better than your average Wal-Mart employee stocking shelves.


Another high and mighty post from the king of that. If you are so qualified and such a good teacher (you have mentioned that ad-nauseum), then why did you have to go to Korea to teach ESL in the first place, D7? We already know why you stay there (which is pathetic in its own right and dropped ad-nauseum as well). Wouldn't it just be easier to accept the fact that you are the one that you constantly refers others to be?

Well, considering there is only ONE hiring season for licensed teachers (the summer) and if you miss out then you have to wait ANOTHER year to apply again, it makes the impatient pretty antsy.

I was living in Florida for most of the summer in 2009, and I had a job lined up for me back in Cleveland had I stayed there, but I was stupid and lived it up for the summer with some friends down south. I came back home in the fall, saw the job ad on craigslist to teach in Korea, I like to travel and I could make money doing what I went to college for, so I signed up.

I'm totally justified in my reasoning why I'm here, but you, Mr. Business Economics major guy, why are you teaching? You didn't even go to college to learn how to be a teacher, you failed in your profession so bailed out like a loser. Tell the truth. You made a poor decision in choosing a college major and now you are stuck singing ABC's and are a day time nanny for the rich Korean mommies. Sing another song for the kids and fall back in line--because God knows you can't do anything or make it back home anyway, lol.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2013 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International