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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the modern era, countries do NOT get nukes to attack. They get a nuke so they will NOT be attacked.

India and Pakistan didn't get nukes to nuke each other. There were border clashes throughout their history. Each feared a land invasion from the other. That won't happen now. They have guaranteed that the other won't invade the other.

Look at Iran. They are surrounded by American military bases. Literally.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/04/2012417131242767298.html

Iran has seen both its neighbors invaded by America. Who do you think should be fearing whom? They do need to be pressured and threatened into not supporting terrorism. However, they are NOT going to be using a nuke proactively. Not gonna happen

Its suicide for the region if that happens. No one, including China or Russia will let that happen if they knew it was a possibiity. There is an unsaid but understood reality that the middle east islamic countries know and that is, Israel won't go down alone. In the unlikely scenario of a a nuke strike by Iran they won't just retaliate against Iran, they'll make sure NOTHING is left of EVERYONE in the region. That's understood. Its also understood that America would strike as well.

The military industrial complex that has gotten us in two middle east wars wants another. Peace is bad for business.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unibrow wrote:
Here's some documentation to go along with my earlier post about the killing of a child playing soccer with his friends.


Why should I believe a word that you or the Palestinians say?

Even if a liar occasionally speaks the truth, nobody will believe him.

Pallywood is a huge industry that attempts to decieve the international media and other willing suckers such as yourself.

Here are some of their recent productions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRz5WnHemkw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys


Noeyebrow wrote:
It's clear that the IDF and extremist settlers have no regard for the lives of Palestinian children.


Don't be obtuse.

Palestinians view their kids as remote-control detonation devices. They kill their own sisters for daring to make eye contact with a man.

This is what terrorism looks like.

Quote:
The Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing was a Palestinian terrorist attack on a pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem, Israel, on 9 August 2001, in which 15 civilians were killed, including 7 children and a pregnant woman, and 130 wounded.

The attack

At the time of the bombing, the Jerusalem branch of the Sbarro pizza restaurant chain was located at the corner of King George Street and Jaffa Road in Jerusalem, one of the busiest pedestrian crossings in Israel. Just before 2:00 pm on a summer holiday afternoon, when the restaurant was filled with customers and pedestrian traffic outside was at its peak, a suicide bomber thought to be carrying a rigged guitar case or wearing an explosive belt weighing 5 to 10 kilograms, containing explosives, nails, nuts and bolts, detonated his bomb. The building was built with the same "Pal-Kal" construction technique deemed responsible for the Versailles wedding hall disaster less than three months before. Although not required to do so, owner Noam Amar added extra support columns on the advice of city inspectors.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbarro_restaurant_suicide_bombing
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unibrow wrote:


It's clear that the Palestinian militant groups have no regard for the lives of Palestinian children.


Fixed it for you.






From Wiki (sourced)



Quote:
According to the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, in the al-Aqsa Intifada, Palestinian military folk have used children as "messengers and couriers, and in some cases as fighters and suicide bombers in attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians." Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) have all been implicated in involving children in this way, see Convention on the Rights of the Child. The issue was first brought to world attention after a widely televised incident in which a mentally handicapped Palestinian teenager, Hussam Abdo, was disarmed at an Israeli checkpoint.[6] The youngest Palestinian suicide bomber who blew himself up was Issa Bdeir, a 16-year-old high school student from the village of Al Doha. He blew himself up in a park in Rishon LeZion, killing a teenage boy and an elderly man.

Human rights organizations such as Amnesty International has strongly and repeatedly condemned violence against civilians:

Palestinian armed groups have repeatedly shown total disregard for the most fundamental human rights, notably the right to life, by deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and by using Palestinian children in armed attacks. Children are susceptible to recruitment by manipulation or may be driven to join armed groups for a variety of reasons, including a desire to avenge relatives or friends killed by the Israeli army.[7]

Despite the harsh condemnations and internal controversy, Palestinian militant groups such as Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Islamic Jihad, have used children as militants and suicide bombers.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict


And from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/25/international/middleeast/25BOY.html

Quote:
The soldiers were on high alert. Just last week, troops at this same checkpoint, on a main road leading south from the chaotic city of Nablus, captured an 11-year-old boy with a bomb hidden in his bag.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://rt.com/usa/news/ceasefire-us-sinai-israel-435/
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Israel and Palestine are momentarily at a ceasefire, but the potential reasoning behind the recess could have some real international implications. Israel’s Debka reports that the pause in fighting comes after the US promised to send troops to Sinai.

According to Debka, US troops will soon be en route to the Sinai peninsula, Egyptian territory in North Africa that’s framed by the Suez Canal on the West and Israel on the East. In its northeast most point, Sinai is but a stone’s throw from Palestinian-controlled Gaza, and according to Debka, Hamas fighters there have been relying on Iranian arms smugglers to supply them with weaponry by way of Egypt.

Debka reports this week that Sinai will soon be occupied by US troops, who were promised by President Barack Obama to Israel’s leaders as a condition that a ceasefire be called. Once deployed, the Americans will intervene with the rumored arms trade orchestrated by Iranians, ideally cutting off supplies for Hamas while at the same time serving as a thorn in the side of Iran.

...

The decision to send US troops to Sinai in exchange for a ceasefire was reportedly arranged early Wednesday morning after Pres. Obama made a deal over the phone with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In the days prior, Israel was relentless in targeting Gaza, killing more than 100 persons — including civilians — during a renewed assault on Hamas. A ceasefire has since been called after a week of fight, but more military action could soon occur, claims Israel, if the flow of weapons to Gaza is not stopped. Netanyahu has been adamant with his pleas for the United States to strike Iran in an effort to disrupt its nuclear enrichment facilities, a demand which up until now has been brushed aside by Pres. Obama. The White House has up until now insisted on diplomatic measures in order to make an impact on any Iranian output, but Debka’s sources suggest that US troops may now have to intervene in Sinai if any smugglers should attempt to move weapons into Gaza.

...

According to their sources, US troops are expected in Egypt early next week. Meanwhile, American forces have all but surrounded Iran and are stationed in countless bases across the Middle East.


Back to this again.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/11/13/272007/western-cover-for-israel-locks-out-justice/

^ a enjoyable debate between Daniel Pipes and Ken O'keefe.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a short respite from Israeli-American warmongering, it's back.

http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/12/05/has-the-us-set-a-march-deadline-for-war-on-iran

The article is the usual stuff but contained this:

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As a recent report by former government officials, national security experts and retired military officers concluded “achieving more than a temporary setback in Iran’s nuclear program would require a military operation – including a land occupation – more taxing than the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.” More taxing, not just in dollar amounts and military resources, but in lives lost.


The report cited:

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/IranReport_091112_FINAL.pdf

Land occupation? If that is cost then just give Iran a few bombs.

http://rt.com/news/israel-rejects-un-nuclear-transparency-298/
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Israel has rebuffed a UN call to adhere to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and open itself to international inspectors, calling the suggestion a "meaningless mechanical vote" of a body that “lost all its credibility regarding Israel.”

­In a 174-6 vote, the United Nations General Assembly demanded in a non-binding call that Tel Aviv join the NPT “without further delay," in an effort to create a legally binding nuclear-free Middle East.

Washington, Israel's strongest ally, surprised no one by voting against the resolution – but did approve two paragraphs that were voted on separately, which called for universal adherence to the NPT and for all non-signatory governments to join.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/10/mideast-nuclear-talks-bet_n_2110147.html

Quote:
VIENNA (AP) — Attempts to find Arab-Israeli common ground on banning weapons of mass destruction from the Mideast have failed, and high-profile talks on the issue have been called off, diplomats said Saturday.

The two diplomats said the United States, one of the organizers, would likely make a formal announcement soon saying that with tensions in the region remaining high, "time is not opportune" for such a gathering.


Etc. Israel is the rogue state.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RICK GLADSTONE:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/world/middleeast/irans-only-female-cabinet-minister-dismissed.html?_r=0

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Iran’s president on Thursday dismissed his health minister, the only woman to serve in the cabinet since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, after she publicly criticized the government’s response to acute shortages of medicine imports, an indirect consequence of the Western sanctions imposed on the country.


The purpose of an article like this is to work the minds of the liberal, OMG Human Rights GUYS ngo set. Iran is the Patriarchy! Etc. Like those Navy commercials: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3wtUCPWmeI

So Iran had one woman in cabinet since the revolution according to the NYT reporter Gladstone.

Google found me two more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marzieh_Vahid-Dastjerdi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Shojaei

Maybe there is some small nuance I'm missing. I didn't miss the general intention: Iran, the blood enemy of Israel, must be demonized. All pressure points must be hit. Conservatives must hear about "freedom" and liberals must hear about "woman's rights".

This is the Lobby's long game.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

Hezbollah Financed by Drug Money, Partners with Cartels

Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah.

Ynet – MEXICO - Chiapas is one of Mexico’s most exotic federal districts. But the magical forests, appealing Indian communities, colorful towns and intriguing archeological sites – that serve as main tourist attractions – hide a political hell.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/12/29/hezbollah-financed-by-drug-money-partners-with-cartels/
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Quote:

Hezbollah Financed by Drug Money, Partners with Cartels

Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah.

Ynet – MEXICO - Chiapas is one of Mexico’s most exotic federal districts. But the magical forests, appealing Indian communities, colorful towns and intriguing archeological sites – that serve as main tourist attractions – hide a political hell.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/12/29/hezbollah-financed-by-drug-money-partners-with-cartels/


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/05/has-the-u-s-government-ever-protected-drug-smugglers.html

Goose, gander.
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catman



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
In the modern era, countries do NOT get nukes to attack. They get a nuke so they will NOT be attacked.

India and Pakistan didn't get nukes to nuke each other. There were border clashes throughout their history. Each feared a land invasion from the other. That won't happen now. They have guaranteed that the other won't invade the other.

Look at Iran. They are surrounded by American military bases. Literally.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/04/2012417131242767298.html

Iran has seen both its neighbors invaded by America. Who do you think should be fearing whom? They do need to be pressured and threatened into not supporting terrorism. However, they are NOT going to be using a nuke proactively. Not gonna happen

Its suicide for the region if that happens. No one, including China or Russia will let that happen if they knew it was a possibiity. There is an unsaid but understood reality that the middle east islamic countries know and that is, Israel won't go down alone. In the unlikely scenario of a a nuke strike by Iran they won't just retaliate against Iran, they'll make sure NOTHING is left of EVERYONE in the region. That's understood. Its also understood that America would strike as well.

The military industrial complex that has gotten us in two middle east wars wants another. Peace is bad for business.


Agreed.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hezbollah counterfeits US money.

Quote:
Hezbollah can’t even help in an honest way:

Perhaps you saw the images in your newspaper or on television:


“A Lebanese man counts U.S dollar bills received from Hizbollah members in a school in Bourj el-Barajneh, a southern suburb of Beirut, August 19, 2006. Hizbollah handed out bundles of cash on Friday to people whose homes were wrecked by Israeli bombing, consolidating the Iranian-backed group’s support among Lebanon’s Shiites and embarrassing the Beirut government. REUTERS/Eric Gaillard (LEBANON)”

This scene and dozens more like it flashed around the planet. Only one thing was missing--the thin wire security strip that runs from top to bottom of a genuine US$100 bill. The money Hezbollah was passing was counterfeit, as should have been evident to anybody who studied the photographs with due care.

Stickynotes checks the Hezbollah cash against the real stuff:



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hezbollahs_counterfeit_help/

Quote:
Hezbollah's Latin American Home

By John Barham
Extremist groups are receiving money from Lebanese refugees in the tri-border region where Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay converge.
Paraguay’s Ciudad del Este may seem a long way from the turmoil of the Middle East, but terrorism experts and the U.S. government say financial transactions in that city and elsewhere in the region remain a source of financing for extremist Middle Eastern groups, especially Lebanon’s Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
In fact, Galería Page, one of Ciudad del Este’s biggest shopping centers, is owned by Muhammad Yusif Abdallah, a senior Hezbollah leader. A U.S. Treasury Department statement says that he reportedly pays a percentage of his income to Hezbollah “based on profits he receives from Galería Page.” The report goes on to assert that “Abdallah has also been involved in the import of contraband electronics, passport falsification, credit card fraud, and trafficking counterfeit U.S. dollars.”


http://www.securitymanagement.com/article/hezbollahs-latin-american-home
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:

Goose, gander.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21342192


A bus bombing that killed five Israelis and a driver in Bulgaria was most likely the work of Lebanon's Hezbollah militant group, officials say.

The attack, in the Black Sea resort of Burgas in July 2012, was carried out by a bomber who died at the scene.

But police and Bulgarian officials said he was part of a Hezbollah cell that included two operatives using passports from Australia and Canada.

Israel also links Iran to the attack, which injured some 30 people.

Iran has always denied and involvement, while Hezbollah has made no comment.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why on earth would Hezbollah do that? If they wanted to kill some Israelis, they are a lot a lot closer to hand.

Why would Bulgaria's foreign minister accuse Hezbollah of doing it? Let's see- he has visited Israel multiple times, most recently just before the results of this supposed investigation were released. He's on the public record of being a big supporter of Israel. And his government is pressing the EU to blacklist Hezbollah as a consequence.

This is so obviously a false flag operation that it is pathetic that anyone could possibly buy it. I call bullshit.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ersatzredux wrote:
Why on earth would Hezbollah do that? If they wanted to kill some Israelis, they are a lot a lot closer to hand.

Why would Bulgaria's foreign minister accuse Hezbollah of doing it? Let's see- he has visited Israel multiple times, most recently just before the results of this supposed investigation were released. He's on the public record of being a big supporter of Israel. And his government is pressing the EU to blacklist Hezbollah as a consequence.

This is so obviously a false flag operation that it is pathetic that anyone could possibly buy it. I call bullshit.


Quote:
In The Hague, the director of Europol, which co-ordinates policing across the 27 European Union states, said he backed the Bulgarians' conclusions that Hezbollah was involved.

"From what I've seen... obvious links to Lebanon, from the modus operandi of the terrorist attack, from other intelligence that we see, I think that's a reasonable assumption," Rob Wainwright told the Associated Press.



I guess the director of Europol is also in on it. Or maybe you have access to better evidence.

Rolling Eyes

But really this is to be expected.


Quote:
Benjamin warned Hezbollah might step up violent action as international economic sanctions turn the screw on its backers in Iran and Western-backed Syrian rebels threaten to overthrow its sponsor in Damascus.


"Hezbollah maintains a presence in Europe and its recent activities demonstrate that it is not constrained by concerns about collateral damage or political fallout that could result from conducting operations there," he said.


"Hezbollah believes there have been sustained Israeli and western campaigns against the group and its primary backers Iran and Syria over the past several years and this perception is unlikely to change," he continued.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4267050,00.html
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It WAS bullshit, just like I said:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/02/201321810059550903.html

Rolling Eyes

But this really is to be expected.
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