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Piers Morgan confronts guy who wants to deport him (VIDEO)
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PigeonFart



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:26 pm    Post subject: Piers Morgan confronts guy who wants to deport him (VIDEO) Reply with quote

This video is quite funny. It's the debate between Piers Morgan and the guy who wants to have Piers Morgan deported (because Morgan wants semi-automatic guns to be banned)
The last 2 minutes of the video are quite funny (or sad) when Alex Jones mocks Piers Morgans accent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a debate, it's a grown man throwing a tantrum.
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Blockhead confidence



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was all planned, right? Just a lesson in how to deal with hosts whose leading questions you don't want to deal with. On radio they can cut off your mike
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blockhead confidence wrote:
It was all planned, right? Just a lesson in how to deal with hosts whose leading questions you don't want to deal with. On radio they can cut off your mike


He's basically a conman. He's now claiming his life may be in danger because of that interview. Read the article and check the video at the end.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/08/armed-mafia-are-stalking-us-conspiracy-peddler-alex-jones-melts-down.html
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed that, thanks for sharing! Laughing


And Piers Morgan totally deserved that hammering by the way. Certainly he was very abusive to his earlier interviewees.

He represents the archetypal british troll presenter that began to flourish in the late 80's.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
I enjoyed that, thanks for sharing! Laughing


And Piers Morgan totally deserved that hammering by the way. Certainly he was very abusive to his earlier interviewees.

He represents the archetypal british troll presenter that began to flourish in the late 80's.

Yeah, I gotta say Alex Jones could've handled himself a lot better, given the opportunity he had (his ranting just came off poorly and made me want to switch off the interview, even though his points were correct). But Piers Morgan is a complete hack and deserves everything he gets. He should be deported for subverting the constitution.

It actually boggles my mind that we have foreigners "calling for" any such thing... Imagine trying to emigrate to Britain as an American (working as some 5th rate TV host) and "calling for" an end to the monarchy. I doubt many people there would be impressed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
nautilus wrote:
I enjoyed that, thanks for sharing! Laughing


And Piers Morgan totally deserved that hammering by the way. Certainly he was very abusive to his earlier interviewees.

He represents the archetypal british troll presenter that began to flourish in the late 80's.

Yeah, I gotta say Alex Jones could've handled himself a lot better, given the opportunity he had (his ranting just came off poorly and made me want to switch off the interview, even though his points were correct). But Piers Morgan is a complete hack and deserves everything he gets. He should be deported for subverting the constitution.

It actually boggles my mind that we have foreigners "calling for" any such thing... Imagine trying to emigrate to Britain as an American (working as some 5th rate TV host) and "calling for" an end to the monarchy. I doubt many people there would be impressed.


Naw, for your analogy to work you'd have to find something in Britain that is a) leading to thousands of innocent deaths and b) all for the sake of a something whose raison d'etre is killing.

From what I've read online, this interview with Jessie Ventura and Piers Morgan is held up as an example of how the pro-gun side should argue their points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WxNenz7q_eY

What I don't get is why, with the exception of Switzerland, every country cited by the pro-gun side is not developed: Mexico, the Philippines, Mao's China. There's Nazi Germany, I guess, but that was such a weird time that hypotheticals about it aren't helpful. And Switzerland, I'm pretty sure, would ban guns quickly if the same pattern of massacre after massacre took hold. So ultimately, what are the pro-gun group trying to say about all other western countries?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blockhead confidence wrote:
Naw, for your analogy to work you'd have to find something in Britain that is a) leading to thousands of innocent deaths

Okay then, knives it is.

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and b) all for the sake of a something whose raison d'etre is killing.

Not all "killing" is unjust.

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And Switzerland, I'm pretty sure, would ban guns quickly if the same pattern of massacre after massacre took hold.

Conjecture.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:


It actually boggles my mind that we have foreigners "calling for" any such thing... Imagine trying to emigrate to Britain as an American (working as some 5th rate TV host) and "calling for" an end to the monarchy. I doubt many people there would be impressed.


Actually, many people would agree.

...And I thought freedom of expression was protected for everyone in the US, not just citizens.
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comm



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blockhead confidence wrote:
visitorq wrote:
It actually boggles my mind that we have foreigners "calling for" any such thing... Imagine trying to emigrate to Britain as an American (working as some 5th rate TV host) and "calling for" an end to the monarchy. I doubt many people there would be impressed.


Naw, for your analogy to work you'd have to find something in Britain that is a) leading to thousands of innocent deaths and b) all for the sake of a something whose raison d'etre is killing.

Much (most?) of the gun violence in the U.S. is between criminals, but the total intentional death rate is 3.7 per 10,000.
The fatality rate for Korean pedestrians is 4.4 per 10,000, and that's almost entirely innocents being killed.
So as a law abiding citizen, you're far, FAR more likely to be killed crossing the street in Korea than by a gun in the U.S. Where's the international outrage over that? Or is it a "we could prevent those deaths if every culture was like ours" thing when people look at the U.S.?
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:
Blockhead confidence wrote:
visitorq wrote:
It actually boggles my mind that we have foreigners "calling for" any such thing... Imagine trying to emigrate to Britain as an American (working as some 5th rate TV host) and "calling for" an end to the monarchy. I doubt many people there would be impressed.


Naw, for your analogy to work you'd have to find something in Britain that is a) leading to thousands of innocent deaths and b) all for the sake of a something whose raison d'etre is killing.

Much (most?) of the gun violence in the U.S. is between criminals, but the total intentional death rate is 3.7 per 10,000.
The fatality rate for Korean pedestrians is 4.4 per 10,000, and that's almost entirely innocents being killed.
So as a law abiding citizen, you're far, FAR more likely to be killed crossing the street in Korea than by a gun in the U.S. Where's the international outrage over that? Or is it a "we could prevent those deaths if every culture was like ours" thing when people look at the U.S.?


Going from murder to accidental deaths? Be careful, you're threading on a very slippery slope.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:
Blockhead confidence wrote:
visitorq wrote:
It actually boggles my mind that we have foreigners "calling for" any such thing... Imagine trying to emigrate to Britain as an American (working as some 5th rate TV host) and "calling for" an end to the monarchy. I doubt many people there would be impressed.


Naw, for your analogy to work you'd have to find something in Britain that is a) leading to thousands of innocent deaths and b) all for the sake of a something whose raison d'etre is killing.

Much (most?) of the gun violence in the U.S. is between criminals, but the total intentional death rate is 3.7 per 10,000.
The fatality rate for Korean pedestrians is 4.4 per 10,000, and that's almost entirely innocents being killed.
So as a law abiding citizen, you're far, FAR more likely to be killed crossing the street in Korea than by a gun in the U.S. Where's the international outrage over that? Or is it a "we could prevent those deaths if every culture was like ours" thing when people look at the U.S.?


If Koreans wanted to ban personal automobiles entirely, and utilize only public transportation and bicycles for private transportation in order to reduce traffic-accident fatalities, frankly that wouldn't outrage me; they'd be making a utility calculation, and that's fine. Here's the thing, though: most people see the societal utility of personal automobile ownership as immense, so they probably won't be making that trade off any time soon. The same cannot be said of private firearm ownership.
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Blockhead confidence



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
Okay then, knives it is.


Good, so back to your original point:

visitorq wrote:
Imagine trying to emigrate to Britain as an American (working as some 5th rate TV host) and "calling for" an end to knives. I doubt many people there would be impressed.


I can see the Stars and Stripes burning in the streets.

Anyway, the UK has a problem with massacres of innocents by knives? Like, stabbings of people by the mentally unhinged?

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Not all "killing" is unjust.


I belive you compared carrying guns to having a monarchy. One of the two is meant to bring about the best in a people (bullsh*t, but still what is believed).

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Conjecture.


No hypotheticals. Got it.
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Blockhead confidence



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:
The fatality rate for Korean pedestrians is 4.4 per 10,000, and that's almost entirely innocents being killed.
So as a law abiding citizen, you're far, FAR more likely to be killed crossing the street in Korea than by a gun in the U.S. Where's the international outrage over that? Or is it a "we could prevent those deaths if every culture was like ours" thing when people look at the U.S.?


Show me a gun that isn't designed to kill, as per my part b)
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piers Morgan nearly squandered an easy win, because he is not very good at what he does. Alex Jones is a joke, but he nearly held his own against Piers Morgan.

Nevertheless, all of Piers Morgan's positions he lays out at the beginning of that clip are reasonable and balanced. Too bad he can't host worth a damn.
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