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bucheon bum
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The US government is really incompetent.
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No, it isn't incompetent, it is simply a product of our system, which needs to be reformed and changed. Our constitution is over 200 years old. We need to make some changes. Special interests have run amok. I'm sure the med device tax is protecting one of those interests at the expense of the rest of us. |
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supernick
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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So not having medical facilities is a GOOD thing? Wow!!! the purpose of health care is to save money??? I am not sure of your point there. It sounds more like large holes in the Canadian system
Anyway I know you guys are so touchy about your healthcare system. i just cant help myself.
But we Americans as always are willing to help out our Canadian cousins when they can not take care of themselves. So we will continue to help when you get cancer and get put on a waiting list or you need kidney dialysis or whatever your system does not provide. It's all about Love. |
American hospitals are always willing to make money. It has nothing to do with you or American kindness. Please stop trying to flatter yourself. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Golly you guys are so touchy!!
visitorQ nailed it.
U.S. hospitals have to make money they are not supported by tax dollars.
To make money they have to compete with other hospitals, provide better care and treatment. More costly yes but treatment and facilities are better. is it a flawed system. yes but it does have some advantages for the consumer
U.s. government incompetent???? Please compare to other countries that have populations of over 300 million, look at income oppurtunity education and healthcare and get back to me on that one. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Golly you guys are so touchy!!
visitorQ nailed it.
U.S. hospitals have to make money they are not supported by tax dollars.
To make money they have to compete with other hospitals, provide better care and treatment. More costly yes but treatment and facilities are better. is it a flawed system. yes but it does have some advantages for the consumer
U.s. government incompetent???? Please compare to other countries that have populations of over 300 million, look at income oppurtunity education and healthcare and get back to me on that one. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Golly you guys are so touchy!!
visitorQ nailed it.
U.S. hospitals have to make money they are not supported by tax dollars.
To make money they have to compete with other hospitals, provide better care and treatment. More costly yes but treatment and facilities are better. is it a flawed system. yes but it does have some advantages for the consumer
U.s. government incompetent???? Please compare to other countries that have populations of over 300 million, look at income oppurtunity education and healthcare and get back to me on that one. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Golly you guys are so touchy!!
visitorQ nailed it.
U.S. hospitals have to make money they are not supported by tax dollars.
To make money they have to compete with other hospitals, provide better care and treatment. More costly yes but treatment and facilities are better. is it a flawed system. yes but it does have some advantages for the consumer
U.s. government incompetent???? Please compare to other countries that have populations of over 300 million, look at income oppurtunity education and healthcare and get back to me on that one. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Golly you guys are so touchy!!
visitorQ nailed it.
U.S. hospitals have to make money they are not supported by tax dollars.
To make money they have to compete with other hospitals, provide better care and treatment. More costly yes but treatment and facilities are better. is it a flawed system. yes but it does have some advantages for the consumer
U.s. government incompetent???? Please compare to other countries that have populations of over 300 million, look at income oppurtunity education and healthcare and get back to me on that one. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Golly you guys are so touchy!!
visitorQ nailed it.
U.S. hospitals have to make money they are not supported by tax dollars.
To make money they have to compete with other hospitals, provide better care and treatment. More costly yes but treatment and facilities are better. is it a flawed system. yes but it does have some advantages for the consumer
U.s. government incompetent???? Please compare to other countries that have populations of over 300 million, look at income oppurtunity education and healthcare and get back to me on that one. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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U.s. government incompetent???? Please compare to other countries that have populations of over 300 million, look at income oppurtunity education and healthcare and get back to me on that one. |
All I know is it really stupid and foolish to tax medical devices to pay for health care, when there are so many other things that deserve to be taxed more like advertising by pharmaceutical companies.
The government always taxes the wrong things out of political expediency
For my money that is incompetent.
Pharmaceutical companies sell top of the line antibiotics to farmers for live stock. Now antibiotics don't work . The result is in the US meat is inexpensive and antibiotics are expensive and not so effective.
For my money that is incompetence by the government. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:19 am Post subject: |
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But all democratic countries act out of political expediency, not just the US. My point is that as bad as the U.s. government is percieved to be it is one if not the most stable systems on the planet, and the U.s. system does a fantastic job providing for over 300 million people. Flaws sure but look at countries with similar populations, Russia, Brazil, India, China, just no comparison
the antibiotic thing is interesting though a lot has been written on it, but little done.
Who is happy about it farmers and beef consumers, I supose.
But we were writing about Canadian wealth and how property values have made Canadians weaalthier on paper than Americans. The resources boom and the Canadian governments decision to invest in the boom by propping up some banks with cash infusions.
But young Canadian eslers should be hoping the bubble pops because home prices are moving out of their reach. Remember all this 'wealth " is on paper. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| Well, this thread only makes me so insecure about democracy and the dominant economic forms around the world. Am I the only one who is that insecure? I hope not. Then again, not many people think like me. |
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supernick
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Not so touchy as to make 6 repeated posts.
As for universal healthcare, I would suggest that there are more Americans that would favor Canada's system than Canadians who would favor the U.S. system. You might not, but that is your choice. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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sorry Nick , super messed up computer. Didnt mean to post six times. Oh i dont think Americans want to have to be put on lists to await treatment for serious illnesses like often happens in Canada. Very limited access to advanced treatment in Canada.
I dont think many Candians understand the real difference in population between Canada and the U.S. at least thats what it seems. I have also noticed this in the Canadian media like THE national Post and the Toronto Star. Just does not mke sense.
more accurately compare Canada to California.
it would be like trying to compare South korea to Russia |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Not so touchy as to make 6 repeated posts.
As for universal healthcare, I would suggest that there are more Americans that would favor Canada's system than Canadians who would favor the U.S. system. You might not, but that is your choice. |
Maybe but it seems that more Americans are satisfied with their health care as opposed to Canadians (even though Canadians vastly prefer theirs over the U.S. health system)
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| A 2009 Harris/Decima poll found 82% of Canadians preferred their healthcare system to the one in the United States, more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system for Canada[12] while a Strategic Counsel survey in 2008 found 91% of Canadians preferring their healthcare system to that of the U.S.[9][10] The same article mentioned that when asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent). Respondents then rated quality of service as excellent (36% Canada, 40% US), and being very satisfied with health care services (42% Canada, 53% US). |
Here's a good read from someone who used to be an advocate of the socialized medicine system we have in Canada for America.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html
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What I knew about American health care was unappealing: high expenses and lots of uninsured people. When HillaryCare shook Washington, I remember thinking that the Clintonistas were right.
My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic�with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd wager that most Canadians (and Brits) are happy with "the idea" of their healthcare systems. Because apparently they're taught all their lives how great, fair, and civilized it is to have socialist healthcare. But when you actually drill down and ask how satisfied they are with the actual care they receive, I find it hard to believe anyone could favor run-down government hospitals with long queues and outdated equipment to modern private hospitals like what are available in the US. |
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