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12ax7
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Socratic questioning = "who is to blame"? |
Short attention span, eh? Read a little further down the line. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Israelis wonder what Massachusetts was thinking.
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In an article posted on his newspaper�s Web site on Friday titled �What message is the U.S. sending with a Boston lockdown?,� Katz contrasted his experience at home with what he was witnessing in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
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There was no lockdown in Israel and there was no order by the mayor to seek shelter. Instead, people were out in the streets, filling up coffee shops right next to the one that had been bombed or standing at bus stops waiting for the next bus from the same line that had just exploded. This has always impressed me as a sign of true resilience, of a refusal to allow terrorism to change our way of life.
I am not judging the people of Boston and their leaders and yes, there is something to be said about being safe than sorry. But, I wonder about the long-term strategic ramifications and if this won�t be viewed as a near-surrender to terrorism. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Of course, most of the brave talk is by people (especially cowardly politician types) who themselves would flee at the first sign of danger
...There was no shortage of individual acts of bravery in Boston, and the message to terrorists is that they will be identified, hunted down, and called "losers".
Unfortunately, there are also many ways for determined enemies to bring modern cities virtually to a halt (e.g., computer hackers, small drones, biological/chemical weapons...) In this case it was probably better to voluntarily close down and focus all resources on finding the attackers as soon as possible.
Moreover,I think it would have been very reckless to let the Red Sox game and other crowded events go on when at least one mad bomber was still on the loose. Police resources would also have had to be diverted to protect those big targets. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Israelis wonder what Massachusetts was thinking.
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In an article posted on his newspaper�s Web site on Friday titled �What message is the U.S. sending with a Boston lockdown?,� Katz contrasted his experience at home with what he was witnessing in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
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There was no lockdown in Israel and there was no order by the mayor to seek shelter. Instead, people were out in the streets, filling up coffee shops right next to the one that had been bombed or standing at bus stops waiting for the next bus from the same line that had just exploded. This has always impressed me as a sign of true resilience, of a refusal to allow terrorism to change our way of life.
I am not judging the people of Boston and their leaders and yes, there is something to be said about being safe than sorry. But, I wonder about the long-term strategic ramifications and if this won�t be viewed as a near-surrender to terrorism. |
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While the press has been calling it a "lockdown" it actually wasn't. People were ASKED, not ORDERED, to stay in their homes. They complied. Katz himself says that he walked around outside during the "lockdown" and he was not arrested.
Every situation is different, so it is hard to compare Boston to what happened in Israel. Which event? When?
My take on bombings in Israel is that they are usually suicide bombers - so, once the blow up, that's pretty much it, isn't it?
In Boston, you had two guys go undergound. When they surfaced, the executed a police officer, threw explosives at the police during a high speed chase through a residential neighborhood, and one of them was wearing an explosive vest. They were obviously up to no good, there was one on the loose and they had a general idea where he was and that he was a current, ongoing threat. I think it was a good idea to ask people to stay int heir homes.
I think another difference might be cultural. Since Israel has mandatory military service, the Israelis consider every Israeli citizen a front-line soldier. They are probably also more aware of their surroundings having lived with terrorism longer.
http://nation.time.com/2013/04/19/was-boston-actually-on-lockdown/ |
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Rteacher
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Kuros
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Rteacher
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Rteacher
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12ax7
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Rteacher
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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More liberal handwringing nonsense from The New York Times over the Boston bombings:
THE alleged involvement of two ethnic Chechen brothers in the deadly attack at the Boston Marathon should prompt Americans to reflect on whether we do an adequate job assimilating immigrants who arrive in the United States as children or teenagers
That's not what it should prompt Americans to reflect on. It should prompt them to ask, 'How do we benefit by allowing into our country hundreds of thousands of people from war-torn, corrupt, extremist, failed states like Chechnya, Somalia, Haiti, Guatemala etc.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/opinion/immigrant-kids-adrift.html?hpw&_r=0 |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| There's plenty of home-grown corruption, war-mongering/profiteering, extremism, and failure right here in the U.S.A (and that's only in Congress...) |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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I wanted you to think I meant the infamous big-assed daughter of OJ's lawyer...wanted you to cringe a little before clicking on the link before finding that it's a video of one of the best song writers and performers of the 20th century.
But, instead...Joke's on me.  |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| There's plenty of home-grown corruption, war-mongering/profiteering, extremism, and failure right here in the U.S.A (and that's only in Congress...) |
All the more reason not to import more of it from abroad. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
| There's plenty of home-grown corruption, war-mongering/profiteering, extremism, and failure right here in the U.S.A (and that's only in Congress...) |
All the more reason not to import more of it from abroad. |
Considering the simple fact that only 3.08 million people are "native" Americans that would mean that the other 320 odd million are all imports.
The issue is not immigration or even the screening of immigrants.
The issue is (or should be) US government policy (foreign and domestic) painting big targets on everything American and causing enough anger that people (American and foreign), whether rightly or wrongly, are willing to take it out on Americans and American interests in an effort to strike back.
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