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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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Bill Keller was the executive editor of the NYT during the run up to the Iraq war. The editorial position of the NYT under his reign supported the war in Iraq because, as he has said to Phil Weiss, he thought it would be good for Israel. He is not an Episcopalian. .
Bill Keller now says that the USA should go to war with Syria.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/opinion/keller-syria-is-not-iraq.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&
Bill Keller only cares about Israel. Everything he says has to be associated in ones mind with "ethnocentric supremacist liar". |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| You were right in the beginning: it is strictly economics. |
Come on. How? You think Iran is about "economics". |
How? There was no benefit to getting involved in Rwanda and Darfur. There was in Libya. Not sure what Iran has to do with anything I said. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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| You were right in the beginning: it is strictly economics. |
Come on. How? You think Iran is about "economics". |
How? There was no benefit to getting involved in Rwanda and Darfur. There was in Libya. Not sure what Iran has to do with anything I said. |
What was the benefit of Libya? Iraq? You're not paying attention. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
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| You were right in the beginning: it is strictly economics. |
Come on. How? You think Iran is about "economics". |
How? There was no benefit to getting involved in Rwanda and Darfur. There was in Libya. Not sure what Iran has to do with anything I said. |
What was the benefit of Libya? Iraq? You're not paying attention. |
I think he just disagrees. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
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| You were right in the beginning: it is strictly economics. |
Come on. How? You think Iran is about "economics". |
How? There was no benefit to getting involved in Rwanda and Darfur. There was in Libya. Not sure what Iran has to do with anything I said. |
What was the benefit of Libya? Iraq? You're not paying attention. |
I think he just disagrees. |
yeah, cause he's not paying attention.
It's a conditioned response. "conflict in middle east" = oil. Though America has never ever ever made any attempt what so ever to get the oil, and anyway it would be cheaper to buy. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
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| You were right in the beginning: it is strictly economics. |
Come on. How? You think Iran is about "economics". |
How? There was no benefit to getting involved in Rwanda and Darfur. There was in Libya. Not sure what Iran has to do with anything I said. |
What was the benefit of Libya? Iraq? You're not paying attention. |
I think he just disagrees. |
yeah, cause he's not paying attention.
It's a conditioned response. "conflict in middle east" = oil. Though America has never ever ever made any attempt what so ever to get the oil, and anyway it would be cheaper to buy. |
Ha, you have developed your own conditioned response. I also think you're a bit paranoid. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Hey, Bucheon Bum. Pay more attention to foreign affairs.
BTW, what is it you do for a living? |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: |
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What does he do for a living?
Ok, explain to me how Syria is about "economics". |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:06 am Post subject: |
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-10-14-29-37
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Israel has expressed concern over what Israeli officials say is an imminent sale of advanced Russian anti-aircraft missiles to Syria. Israel is worried that advanced Russian weapons could reach militant groups hostile to the Jewish state, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Israel has asked Russia to stop supplying "game-changing" weapons to Assad. The Israeli official would not say if the weapons would be discussed. He spoke on condition of anonymity because the Netanyahu-Putin meeting has not yet been announced officially. |
Raimondo says Syria is our Spain.
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| a proxy war prefiguring a much larger conflict, with the US, Israel, Turkey, Jordan, and Al Qaeda (in the guise of the �Al Nusra Front�) versus the Syrian Ba�athists, Hezbollah, and � standing behind them � Iran. |
...and Russia.
This is why neo-cons foam at the mouth in their hysterical hatred of Putin. He's off-script. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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What does he do for a living?
Ok, explain to me how Syria is about "economics". |
Maybe he doesn't want to share. Point is, he's paying attention.
Syria isn't exclusively about economics. Ideology, and yes, Israel each plays a role there. Humanitarianism is a concern, but I think BB wants to say that humanitarianism alone does not move the U.S.
Iraq was all four, but predominantly it was about oil. It was about opening the oil fields and lowering the market cost of oil. Thus, that most the oil goes to China does help, insofar as Chinese oil demand increases oil prices and Iraq oil supply decreases oil prices worldwide. Iraq was about intimidating the Saudis, because occupying Mecca and Medina was off the table. Iraq was about neo-con ideology and it was about humanitarianism (the Kurds being gassed). And yes, Iraq was about Israel.
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| This is why neo-cons foam at the mouth in their hysterical hatred of Putin. He's off-script. |
Is that why you love Putin so? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Syria denies link to Turkey car bombs: Syrian minister denies Turkish claim that groups backing Assad were behind twin blasts that killed at least 46 people.
Turkey has accused groups supporting the Syrian regime of carrying out two car bombings that killed at least 46 people and injured dozens in a border town, the interior minister said.
The blast occurred on Saturday in a crowded area of the small town of Reyhanli in the southern Turkish province of Hatay, just a few kilometres from the main border crossing into Syria.
The interior minister told Al Jazeera that 55 people had been hospitalised, including seven Syrians. The majority of the victims were Turkish nationals...He said those behind the bombings were believed also to have been behind an attack on the Syrian coastal town of Banias a week ago, in which fighters backing Assad were reported to have killed at least 62 people.
The Syrian information minister, however, denied responsibility for Turkey blasts on Sunday, saying that Turkey was indirectly responsible.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/05/2013511121047931174.html
Maybe the solution to all this mess is to let Turkey re-establish the Ottoman Empire. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe he doesn't want to share. Point is, he's paying attention. |
I remember now. He's a bureaucrat. Makes his snarky comment fit. He's gone native.
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| Syria isn't exclusively about economics |
It isn't at all, in any way, what so ever, about economics.
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| Iraq was all four, but predominantly it was about oil. |
No. AIPAC got what it wanted. It is what it is.
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| Is that why you love Putin so? |
Yes. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Syria isn't exclusively about economics. Ideology, and yes, Israel each plays a role there. Humanitarianism is a concern, but I think BB wants to say that humanitarianism alone does not move the U.S.
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Yes, that basically sums it up. I guess I should said humanitarianism alone does not move the US, there have to be additional reasons. I do not think US actions (or inaction) in Syria is connected much- if at all- to economics. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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The Rebels:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/467208/20130513/syria-abu-sakkar-bites-heart-assad.htm
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Human Rights Watch has confirmed that a man shown in a video cutting the heart out of a soldier's body and biting it was a Syrian rebel commander.
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According to Peter Bouckaert of the New York-based human rights watchdog, the man is Abu Sakkar, a founder of the rebel Farouq Brigade.
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I was wondering who the Farouq Birgade was:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouq_Brigades
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| The Farouq Brigades (Arabic: كتائب الفاروق) are one of the largest and well-known units of the Free Syrian Army which is involved in the Syrian Civil War. |
The LA Times says these guys should have been our point-men:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/07/world/la-fg-us-syria-20121208/2
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U.S. officials have limited their ties to the rebels since the beginning of the conflict, when they urged demonstrators not to turn to arms.
Though they are in regular contact with military councils � provincial bodies that try to coordinate the patchwork of militias � relationships are not strong with individual groups, said Andrew Tabler, a leading Syria expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. The United States could have built a valuable relationship, for example, with Al Farouq brigade, a nationalist but mainline group, he said.
Though the new coalition has been praised in the West for its inclusiveness and leadership, diplomats acknowledge that it's not clear whether the umbrella group would be strong enough to issue orders to the militias that could hold the most power in a post-Assad Syria. |
etc. Maybe best to stay out. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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