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ytide



Joined: 26 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wooden nickels wrote:
I have had 2 -3 Native English Teachers employed at my school for more than 6 years. I have never asked them to attend one of these events and they have never attended one of these events to my knowledge. My wife and I attended one of these events several years back. We vowed, unless it should become a legally enforceable issue to attend, that we would never attend another of the meetings. Not a single person mentioned above has been fired, fined, imprisoned, put in front of the firing squad, forced to walk the plank, or felt the curse of voodoo pins piercing their bodies to my knowledge.

Is your hagwon a part of the Hagwon Association (한국학원총연합회)?
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ytide



Joined: 26 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are digital-photos of the original documents I got from my manager. It took persistence to gain the right to look at these, at least for me. (Originally, our boss had concealed everything from us, and rewritten the info in an even-more-cryptic memo --- Why do there always have to be so many secrets in this place?, I always think at work).

English Flyer for the June 2013 Anyang Training, Side A
http://oi39.tinypic.com/2j1q0dh.jpg

English FLyer for the June 2013 Anyang Training, Side B
http://oi44.tinypic.com/oubc5e.jpg

Korean Original Document for the Event, from the Hagwon Association
http://oi39.tinypic.com/14r6hg.jpg

I tried to find the English flyer online, and came up with this -- It has many of the same words, but says "Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:00am ~ 1:00pm" whereas the one in my possession says 9:30 AM ~ 12:30 PM...


M-Tea wrote:
the local education office has been told by someone(??) that they may(??) receive a list of names of people who do not attend the meeting. In addition, they haven't received any orders from the higher office(gyeonggi provincal office of education) in regards to any of it.

On the English flyer, Side-B:
"Notice: Please be sure to register when you arrive at the seminar."

The English is bad throughout the flyer. However, one way to read this is that they don't have any kind of list of names, and don't know who to expect. If it were a required event for all E-2-visa-holders, they'd have a list of names. What they do have a list of, I suppose, is hagwons. Each hagwon needs to be represented...


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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ytide wrote:
wooden nickels wrote:
I have had 2 -3 Native English Teachers employed at my school for more than 6 years. I have never asked them to attend one of these events and they have never attended one of these events to my knowledge. My wife and I attended one of these events several years back. We vowed, unless it should become a legally enforceable issue to attend, that we would never attend another of the meetings. Not a single person mentioned above has been fired, fined, imprisoned, put in front of the firing squad, forced to walk the plank, or felt the curse of voodoo pins piercing their bodies to my knowledge.

Is your hagwon a part of the Hagwon Association (한국학원총연합회)?


No longer a member~
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thing does not impact me so I haven't been sticking my nose in the thread, but I have been following along and chuckling at the typical lack of organization whatsoever. But I wanted to comment relatively briefly on one bit.

ytide wrote:
Thanks for the reply, CentralCali. What I increasingly see is that I am a "commodity" in this -- they want me there for the hagwon's own benefit, to avoid a penalty imposed by the Hagwon Association. Another campus owned by the same person is sending only one foreign-teacher of seven employed! They just want each campus represented by a "warm body".
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I am off the following workweek, Monday through Friday. Saturday is the first day of my vacation (the first full week off, in fact, that I will have had since starting here over a year and a half ago). They are cutting into my first day of vacation with this training. I'll be out of work at 10 PM Friday, and am slated to have to wake up at 7 AM to go to this "training" for half the day. Still, I'd go, I would (even if were a "Hagwon Association scam") if they'd just pay me for my time, and if they'd treat me with some basic dignity, rather than using these crude/ridiculous threats of firing and so on.


Now this is just my personal attitude to such matters and I by no means am trying to suggest others emulate me. But I generally would not run to the contract to find clauses to back up being paid for my time. It is certainly a good idea. However, I think that a decent boss would, especially when only choosing one person as a representative for the campus as a whole, feel naturally inclined to somehow repay said representative, whether it be a free meal, reduced work hours to balance things out, a gift certificate for the department store, hell, anything of value, for being put out like this. And if a boss just doesn't get that concept, I would lose significant faith in him or her, and respond accordingly.

But based on your two posts going into detail about what your boss was saying to you, I'd say there are deeper problems there. Your boss sounds confrontational and antagonistic, ytide. Keep an eye out for further problems down the road.
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Chia Pet



Joined: 23 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry I didn't post this last night. I was exhausted.

Here's a link to the video that shows I was actually at the GPOE. It doesn't show anything except me holding up the letter at the front gate of the GPOE. The officer I talked to didn't want to be interviewed on camera, which is understandable.

http://youtu.be/T8c2Dd0Wp-0

I felt better last night knowing this meeting is not just a scam by the hagwon association. But now I'm upset again, because why is the government enlisting the hagwon association to help administer the meeting? In a way the government is empowering the hagwon association. I find that disturbing.

wooden nickels wrote:
ytide wrote:
wooden nickels wrote:
I have had 2 -3 Native English Teachers employed at my school for more than 6 years. I have never asked them to attend one of these events and they have never attended one of these events to my knowledge. My wife and I attended one of these events several years back. We vowed, unless it should become a legally enforceable issue to attend, that we would never attend another of the meetings. Not a single person mentioned above has been fired, fined, imprisoned, put in front of the firing squad, forced to walk the plank, or felt the curse of voodoo pins piercing their bodies to my knowledge.

Is your hagwon a part of the Hagwon Association (한국학원총연합회)?


No longer a member~


Are you and your wife hagwon owners? If you're owners but not members of the hagwon association, did you/your teachers get the letter about the meeting?
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Gnawbert



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for posting and doing all the investigation Chia Pet. That's really awesome of you!

I'm still abstaining, more for personal reasons. My Saturdays are sacred, I don't feel like empowering the Hagwon association, and quite frankly I just don't think there's a thing they can do to punish me otherwise. However, I could be wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Thanks again.

Chia Pet wrote:
I'm sorry I didn't post this last night. I was exhausted.

Here's a link to the video that shows I was actually at the GPOE. It doesn't show anything except me holding up the letter at the front gate of the GPOE. The officer I talked to didn't want to be interviewed on camera, which is understandable.

http://youtu.be/T8c2Dd0Wp-0

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ytide



Joined: 26 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chia Pet wrote:
I felt better last night knowing this meeting is not just a scam by the hagwon association. But now I'm upset again, because why is the government enlisting the hagwon association to help administer the meeting? In a way the government is empowering the hagwon association. I find that disturbing.

It is a gray area. Article 13 says the Hagwon Association is allowed to administer these things, but only if called on to do so by the Education Minister. This is my understanding. I've not seen anyone claim the Education Minister is involved. The representative you talked to is interpreting that in favor of the Hagwon Association (fair enough). He interprets it to mean the Association has the leeway to call this training of their own volition.

However, there seems to be no provision for any legal punishment against any E-2-holding hagwon teacher who does not show up. There is a punishment levied against the hagwon, which I presume to be imposed by the Hagwon Association in the form of a higher fee next year (my supervisor claimed the government imposes a fine, but this is illogical -- why would the government punish the hagwon and not the E-2-holder?).


Chia Pet wrote:
Are you and your wife hagwon owners? If you're owners but not members of the hagwon association, did you/your teachers get the letter about the meeting?

As I wrote above, the people I work for control several 'campuses', one of which now has six or seven E-2 teachers. They are sending exactly one of them to this training. This means to me that it has nothing to do with "E-2 teachers", but has to do with hagwons being represented by an E-2 teacher, which means that the true authority here is the Hagwon Association, not the government.

I agree with you, Chia Pet, that it is not a "scam", but it is certainly still suspicious and misleading. Why did they falsely use the name "Gyeonggi Office of Education" on the flyer?
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ytide wrote:

She said that it is not ridiculous: "Have you followed the Korean news recently?"




Has she seen the news lately about Korean sexual predators? I can name three that are fairly recent. To start how about the Naju incident involving that little girl, the middle school teacher who showed off his wang, and the recent pedophile Korean teacher.