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Gyeonggi province will cut half of the NETs next year
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drcrazy wrote:
Well, this is KOREA!!!!! The vast majority of foreign language teachers in the USA are NOT native speakers. And I have had tons of pre-service and in service teachers from Elementary-High School over very many years, and they are all very well qualified, and far better than Elementary-High School foreign language teachers in the USA.


The point?
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drcrazy



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Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
drcrazy wrote:
Well, this is KOREA!!!!! The vast majority of foreign language teachers in the USA are NOT native speakers. And I have had tons of pre-service and in service teachers from Elementary-High School over very many years, and they are all very well qualified, and far better than Elementary-High School foreign language teachers in the USA.


The point?


The point is there are too many native speaking teachers in Korea.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drcrazy wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
drcrazy wrote:
Well, this is KOREA!!!!! The vast majority of foreign language teachers in the USA are NOT native speakers. And I have had tons of pre-service and in service teachers from Elementary-High School over very many years, and they are all very well qualified, and far better than Elementary-High School foreign language teachers in the USA.


The point?


The point is there are too many native speaking teachers in Korea.


That could be true is cuts become significant and IF Hakwons do not pick up the slack from PS cuts. It WILL be true in a couple of decades however.
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drcrazy wrote:
And I have had tons of pre-service and in service from Elementary-High School teachers over very many years, and they are all very well qualified,

Changing your original quote ever so slightly...and well...


drcrazy wrote:
and far better than Elementary-High School foreign language teachers in the USA.

Have you had tons of service from them, too?

This doctor makes house calls. Wink
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan hath spoken. The market is not over saturated. It will not reach that point until a couple of decades into the future. Surprised O RLY?
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
PatrickGHBusan hath spoken. The market is not over saturated. It will not reach that point until a couple of decades into the future. Surprised O RLY?


When did I say the market was not over saturated?

I said the demand for teachers is changing and am discussing how this might occur.

Lets be clear as you seem to need extra clarity WT: the market has been an employer's market since roughly 2008ish. There have been more applicants than there are jobs and by a rather wide margin it seems.

Naturally, in any such market, employers having the big end of the stick, conditions are titlted towards the employer.

Nevertheless, the market in Korea is still quite hungry for English Teachers and the decline will not occur overnight.

Now, PS positions are vulnerable these days since the K-economy is not firing on all cylinders. As such ANY publically funded programs get looked at harder, more so those that were always meant to be temporary or gap filling measures (ex: EPIK). IF such programs are cut, the demand for teachers will likely not vanish into thin air. Hakwons will likely pick up the slack (wether thats godo or bad for foreign teachers is debatable) and thus the job market will shift even more towards Hakwons.....for now anyway.

Down the road you get DEMOGRAPHIC IMPACT. Whats that? The result of an abysmal birth rate in Korea means schools will have fewer students and hence fewer teachers will be required. In such a shrinking market, foreign labor gets the shaft and this is completely normal as every nation on the planet will favour its citizens over foreign labor when it comes to jobs. This is become demographic impact takes TIME WT, it does not happen overnight.

Now if for some reason Hakwons do not pick up the slack and PS programs are drastically cut, then yes WT, FTs will be in tough, especially those with lower qualifications and lack of experience as entry-level positions will become rarer and rarer.

Bascially the current market has more applicants than jobs and on top of that is maturing. So, play your cards accordingly or be left on the side of the road.

As an ESL-EFL teacher, other destinations are certainly emerging (ex: China).
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this on the China forum: (Sounds a lot like Korea.)
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Without hyperbole, it is true that the cost of living has gone up the last few years and salaries have stagnated. As well, universities often asked for 12-14 hours five years ago, and are now asking 18-20 for the same crappy salary.
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