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rococobean
Joined: 08 May 2013 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks TDC,
I guess I just wanted an answer like this because you never know. I've been seriously studying Korean for the past 5 years, since I first came here in 2009. Been involved in the culture for about 5 years before that as well. I'd like to think my Korean would be good enough, but you never know. I'll admit it's been harder keeping up with it though working at the 학원 .. was easier when I was a student and was around English a lot less. I just wanted to see roughly the level they're expecting. If all it is is some questions about why I want to become a Korean citizen, maybe some historical events, and the anthem I think I'll be all set - as far as knowledge of Korea and passion I'm for sure ready anyway. Getting that book will probably come in handy. Maybe I wait until the year before to do that though, ha ha. |
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pzuvela
Joined: 27 Jan 2014
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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One question..
I am currently employed at Pukyong National University in Busan. At the Office of International Affairs, I got a book Life in Busan and in it I found information that when I obtain my PhD from a Korean university (which I will do in 3-4 years) I am eligible for Korean citizenship.
Does anyone know anything about this ? Are there any TOPIK requirements also or just this one ?
Thank you ! |
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laynamarya
Joined: 01 Jan 2010 Location: Gwangjin-gu
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my experience with the interview, in as much detail as I can remember.
To study: If you naver image search 귀화면접심사, you’ll find the basic study guide. If you naver image search 귀화시험, you can find the book. I didn’t get the book, but most of the folks waiting to be interviewed at the office had it.
I had the first interview of the day (which I barely made…thank heavens I did, because if you are late, you fail). I put all my belongings except my ARC card into a locker, and my husband came in with me. They asked where I was from, and was I sure I wasn’t Russian (my maiden name is quite Russian-sounding). They asked about my job. And then they asked my husband to step out.
They asked me a few more personal questions, like where I met my husband and how old our baby was. Then, they asked me to read what was essentially the “honor code” of how to be a good citizen. They asked if I understood it and agreed. Next, they asked me to stand up and sing the first verse of the anthem and the chorus.
Then, they asked a lot of “how to be a good citizen” questions. They asked me about the four duties of a citizen. I named all four, and they asked me to explain what the duty of tax paying was. They asked what I would do if North Korea attacked, if I would run away to America or stay in Korea. I said I’d hide with my baby somewhere safe, like Busan. They asked what type of government Korea had, and who the “owners” of Korea were. They asked if the freedom of democracy came with any kinds of responsibilities, and what those responsibilities were. They also asked why people were not allowed to reject the government’s authority.
Then they asked me some Korean history questions. I explained what Korean independence day was, and when it was. They asked me about the unification of the Three Kingdoms, they asked about Yi Soon Shin and King Sejong. They also asked me which kind of money Yi Soon Shin was on, but I didn’t know. Fortunately I knew where King Sejong was.
Finally, they asked me about trash collection, important phone numbers, and reserved seating on buses and trains.
And then I was done! They told me I could go, and to raise my baby well.
The interview took less than 15 minutes.
I fumbled my Korean a lot and had to ask the interviewers to rephrase questions at least three times. They also spoke very quickly, which made things a bit tough, but I managed to get through all right. I have heard they are planning to tighten the Korean ability requirements, but I don’t know what that means.
My text message arrived the next morning at 9 AM. My husband called immigration to ask what to do next, and they said, next you wait 2-3 years for your documents to all be approved. I’ve heard it’s faster if you have a baby, but the backlog on applications is getting longer and longer, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it were two.
My spoken Korean is not too bad, around a level 4 TOPIK, but I would say I am about on par conversationally with your average Korean first grader. |
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TDC troll
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Location: TDC
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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How long have you been waiting now , Layna ?
I took the oral examination in March of 2013.
I was told that I passed the next day .
I was told to wait 6~12 months .
In December of 2013 , I was contacted , and told to come to immi.
The officer had my wife and I , sit in seperate rooms and answer the
same 2 pages of questions .
After , we sat down together and had an interview .
I was told to wait a few more months .
About a week later , the same officer contacted me and
asked me to bring a credit report from a bank ( these are available
from any bank ) .
I was told to wait again .
Still waiting ................ |
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laynamarya
Joined: 01 Jan 2010 Location: Gwangjin-gu
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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I just had my interview a couple weeks ago.
Hoping to have citizenship by the time the next presidential election comes up... |
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rococobean
Joined: 08 May 2013 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting such a detailed description, Layna.
Some of the questions seem very politically based and not exactly directly related with general Korean life, but this is to be expected.
I've never taken the TOPIK myself but I'm guessing I'm a confident 3 anyway. Since I won't be able to take this exam for a few years anyhow there's still time to study and focus on conversational Korean. I'm guessing this is what they are most focused on anyhow, by making sure you can function by yourself in general situations (not very good if you're someone like me who always lets their S.O deal with that kind of stuff though ).
I hope you'll have your citizenship very soon.
PS. Did you have to deal with the U.S embassy in anyway? Such as asking why you're seeking duel citizenship or some related questions? |
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Princess Soraya
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Laynamarya: Thank you for that. Very useful for those of us who may want to attempt the process in the future. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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It's been a little while since I last posted in this thread, and it is good to see others who have taken the streps towards citizenship. There are some changes that have happened this year. When I received my citizenship in 2013 the process for receiving your National ID card was fairly seamless. Go down to the Dong or Gu Office, take the final trip out to the local immigration office, come back, get your fingerprints done, select a number, sign a few papers, receive a temporary paper form ID, and then wait for 10 days to receive the plactic card. Not anymore!
Now the notice people receive in the mail serves as the individual's ID for a period of up to two months while the card is being processed. I had a friend who recently received his naturalization, and he found out through the MOJ website that new policies have been put into place so that a final "re-checking" of all documents and personal information takes place once the naturalization has been processed.
This can create a few hassles with various agencies, especially considering the fact that certain things must be done within the first 10 - 30 days once naturalization has been completed, i.e. banks and public offices must be notified of the change of status and the new Korean National ID number. Not to mention that the local City Hall must be notified, and the new citizen must also obtain their legal Passport within a designated period of time.
So for those of you who are waiting for the notice in the mail, be aware that it is not as easy of a process as it was a short time ago.
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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rococobean wrote: |
Thanks for posting such a detailed description, Layna.
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PS. Did you have to deal with the U.S embassy in anyway? Such as asking why you're seeking duel citizenship or some related questions? |
There is no reason to speak with the U.S. Embassy regarding your citizenship, unless you choose to. The United States allows dual citizenship with a host of countries, and as long as you are not attempting to skirt some responsibility with the U.S. Government, they do not interfere with people seeking dual citizenship with another country. I know this from my own investigation when I was going through the process. Hope this helps. |
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TDC troll
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Location: TDC
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Well , that's not good to hear .
I don't know why they make it more complicated .
Thanks for the info . |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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TDC troll wrote: |
Well , that's not good to hear .
I don't know why they make it more complicated .
Thanks for the info . |
As for the full rights as Korean citizens, I am also working through some issues a friend had regarding employment and requirements. The Education Offices are still treating naturalized citizens as foreigners regarding the requirements for registering, a clear-cut case of discrimination. They even admit that it is, but "the rules must be followed" as my wife was told. It took more than a week and a threat of legal action before they relented and said "I suppose we could accept the same level of qualification for someone who received their naturalization as we do for native-born Korean citizens."
I almost spit nails when I heard the comment, and my wife felt the same way. So there are double standards, which many are told do not exist. I tend not to ruffle feathers, but we are either Korean citizens who have gone through all the steps to receive our naturalization in the country, or we are foreigners with no tangible rights or privileges. It is time the agencies doing business with "full citizens" of the country climb out of the 'old thinking' and wake up to the fact that the people making a commitment to stay and make this country their home should be treated with the same respect as any citizen of the country, regardless of race, color or creed.
I understand the post is an opinion piece on my part in response to a simple comment, but it was worth noting with regard to how new citizens are treated.
I will use further post to stick to the concerns this whole thread is set up to discuss. |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:52 am Post subject: |
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If one violates a Korean law while abroad (such as gambling in Las Vegas), can a naturalized citizen be punished with jail and fines just like a regular Korean? |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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chungbukdo wrote: |
If one violates a Korean law while abroad (such as gambling in Las Vegas), can a naturalized citizen be punished with jail and fines just like a regular Korean? |
As a naturalized citizen, YOU ARE a regular Korean (in every way except genetically through your DNA), so the answer is yes. There is the illusion that Korean citizens cannot gamble, but that is only true to a limit. There are specific gambling casinos in Korea that DO allow Korean citizens to gamble if they choose. I know because I have been to one in Gangwon-Do. I just cannot go to the casinos who cater to foreign citizens anymore. |
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TDC troll
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Location: TDC
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Well , I , finally recieved the naturalization notice in the mail .
It says that my next step is to go to the local office .
It took 18 months from the day of my oral interview .
Tob55 , I was wondering did you adopt a Korean name ?
Also what about some other things like : 1) driver's license ,
2) tax office 3) health insurance 4) pension office ?
Did you have to go to these offices in person to change all of
the information ? |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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TDC troll wrote: |
Well , I , finally received the naturalization notice in the mail .
It says that my next step is to go to the local office .
It took 18 months from the day of my oral interview .
Tob55 , I was wondering did you adopt a Korean name ?
Also what about some other things like : 1) driver's license ,
2) tax office 3) health insurance 4) pension office ?
Did you have to go to these offices in person to change all of
the information ? |
I was able to keep my English name. I actually chose this option because my daughter was already on the register with my family name, and I didn't want her to be the ONLY one with that family name in Korea. I have thought about switching over at some time, but keeping it was okay. (Remember, the English name is limited to 7 Korean character sets, so if you have a long English name, something will have to give in terms of how you are registered. If you registered with an English name then that will be your name and you must petition the courts to have it changed. I have a friend who is in that process right now.)
Once you have your Korean ID or at least your Korean ID number, then you can begin changing things over. Everything has to be changed including, Driver's License, Banking, Insurance, Creditcards, etc. Everything must be done in person and they will ask for you for the following items:
1. Korean ID - you may be able to use the temporary ID for some things, but not for everything.
2. A copy of the Family Register 호적 - This will be required everywhere you change things over, so it is good to have a few copies made. You can have them made at the local Dong, Gu, or Myeon Office. Your National ID will actually be generated at the city hall of the place you live, so getting things done there is also quite easy.
(Added Note: you might consider having you as the head of household 세대주 on the family register. I never thought about it, but my wife insisted that I should be recognized as the head of house for our family. It matters only concerning getting bank loans etc, but it is something I am glad my wife wanted me to do it.)
3. All the official notifications you received from the Naturalization service, i.e. the notice you now have in your possession. It is a quite important document so whatever you do, DON'T lose it. It is the only thing that now identifies you as a Korean citizen until your permanent ID comes to you.
I wish I could tell you everything went smoothly, but even today more than a year after receiving my naturalization I occasionally have some ass wipe who wants to be cute question whether or not I am a Korean citizen for purposes of business. They quickly change their tune once I show them my ID or my wife mentions that they could be sued for discriminating against a Korean citizen. (My wife has grown to be quite intolerant of Korean businesses that play the 'he's a foreigner' routine with us.
Anyway, I hope this helps. It will take time to change everything over. You will have to obtain a Korean passport ASAP once you have your permanent ID. It is important, because from now on when you leave or enter the country you MUST use your Korean passport. It is a lengthy story, but let's just say that the time you have waited to be come a Korean citizen would all be in vain if you leave on the passport of your home country.
Also, some of the changes are time sensitive, i.e. if you do not get them done within the given period of time you could be fined by the government. Most of those are for things related to passport and pension office. Glad to help and if you need more information just shoot a post my way. Congratulations!
PS: One more thing I just remembered. When you leave the Immigration Office for the last time, following the signing of your pledge to uphold your responsibilities as a Korean citizen and not use your other citizenship in an effort to escape Korea if you commit a crime, you will never ever have any dealings with them for yourself or your family. (Except if you have other family members, i.e. minor children in the home who are not Korean citizens, or other adult family members.)
My employers and other have suggested contacting Immigration concerning things about my job or other things and I tell them, 'Immigration has nothing to do with me.' They insist and I then tell them, 'go ahead, and Immigration will just laugh at your call or contact.' They do it anyway, AND get laughed at. Now that you are a naturalized Korean citizen, once you have visited them (Immigration) for the last time, ALL your records with them are deleted. That is a good thing, but also ALL of your other records with insurance companies, auto insurance, credit cards, etc. are deleted as well as soon as your new ID is entered into their systems. I had to start over with my smart-phone accounts, and certain insurances, even though I had been doing business with them for over 7 years. It was a bit of a pain, but it was still worth it. Cheers!
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