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Kentucky's Argument Against Gay Marriage Recognition
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trueblue



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That war has been fought.



Indeed it has...but..as historians are now paying attention to another narrative of the war, in which case...was....religion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Indeed it has...but..as historians are now paying attention to another narrative of the war, in which case...was....religion.


I was hoping someone would chime in, on that one.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trueblue wrote:
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Indeed it has...but..as historians are now paying attention to another narrative of the war, in which case...was....religion.


I was hoping someone would chime in, on that one.


Please don't derail my thread. Feel free to make a new one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: Kentucky's Argument Against Gay Marriage Recognition Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
In February, 2014, Judge John G. Heyburn II of the Federal Western District of Kentucky struck down a portion of Kentucky's ban on gay couples in relation to the State's official recognition of gays married in other states.

Kentucky's Attorney General Jack Conway (D) refused to appeal the decision.

Governor Steve Beshear hired outside counsel to appeal the decision.

Now, the State of Kentucky has revealed its argument against the recognition of out-of-state marriages for gay couples.

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"Kentucky's marriage laws are rationally related to the state's interest of preserving the traditional man-woman marriage model," the appeal reads. According to the state, the case for legalizing same-sex marriage in Kentucky is different from Loving v. Virginia—the landmark 1967 Supreme Court case that invalidated state laws banning interracial marriage—because "man-man and woman-woman couples cannot procreate" and Kentucky has an interest in encouraging procreation in the name of promoting "long-term economic stability through stable birth rates."

The state claims that marriage benefits cost the state money, and stable birth rates offset that cost. However, the appeal does not cite any research supporting this, nor does it provide any evidence that legalizing same-sex marriage decreases the birth rate. The appeal does not mention the economic impact of same-sex couples having children through alternative means, such as artificial insemination, nor does it address the costs to the state of allowing infertile heterosexual men or women to get married, allowing straight couples who don't want children to get married, or housing foster children. (In 2012, Kentucky had almost 7,000 children in foster care, according to the latest government data.)


What a truly absurd argument.

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"Kentucky already has a problem with perception throughout the country of being backward and ultra-conservative," notes Bourke, the plaintiff in the case. "Here was an opportunity for a Democratic governor to make a progressive move, and he chose to bow to political pressure instead."


Mark Twain has it attributed to him best:

Mark Twain wrote:
I want to be in Kentucky when the end of the world comes, because it's always 20 years behind


3% of the US is gay....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Kentucky's Argument Against Gay Marriage Recognition Reply with quote

lithium wrote:


3% of the US is gay....


Higher than that, I'd guess. Wikipedia says 3.8% self-identify, but if you look up the percentage of porn streamed that is gay porn, it's something like 4.5%. PornHub comes out with interesting data periodically.. I remember their report on gay porn watching by state. The bible belt loves the stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sixth Circuit upholds gay marriage bans

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A divided federal appeals court in Cincinnati on Thursday upheld bans on same-sex marriage in four states. Dividing two to one, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit overturned lower-court rulings in cases from Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and Tennessee.

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In one sweeping decision, the Sixth Circuit has given all of the states in its geographic region a victory for their bans on both initial marriages of same-sex couples and official recognition of such marriages performed outside of the couples’ home states. By contrast, other federal courts have nullified identical bans in thirteen states just over the past few months, with the prospect that the number would soon rise to sixteen — for a total of thirty-five states, plus Washington, D.C., allowing such marriages.


So its on to the Supreme Court. And you may have thought this thread was just about Kentucky's gay marriage ban.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The anti gay marriage is essentially a religious issue. Its a religious view that is culturally so negative it evokes some of the highest feelings. So much in fact that if you perform sodomy in the privacy of your home it was outlawed.

Interrcial marriage between blacks and whtes was even worse in prior decades.

So, call it what it is, a religous view that Kentucky and other states try to nuance into something else such as defense of marriage which is wrongly named anyway, Gay marriage does not impede anyone from getting married.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
The anti gay marriage is essentially a religious issue.


This is because Europeans (the elite of Europeans) used the language and sanctity of religion to privilege certain arrangements above others. It is best for a society that children be raised in households with a mother in father who are loyal to one another. We want a k-selected society. Religion is a useful way to go about encouraging this. Similarly, if you have an inability to cure STD's and desire few discarded children a society will push sexual restraint.

Then along comes this silly thing called liberalism and like petulant children they scream that because religion isn't True therefore the values are similarly untrue.

Now two men can "marry" each other because marriage isn't an arrangement to promote certain outcomes anymore but a right or a value. Apparently this is the most important thing ever because if we were focused on how the elite are looting us then maybe we'd dislodge them so instead the media (elite propaganda) encourages us to argue about if two men should get married. A double benefit is that a liberal society is a weak, broken and divided society and a weak, broken and divided society is never ever ever ever going to muster the social cohesion necessary to challenge the oligopoly. Win win.

So you people can go on thinking that you're brave challenging a dead religion & that you're an advanced species of open minded and flexible human independently advancing towards Progress. The truth is you're a donkey following a carrot on a stick.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: Kentucky's Argument Against Gay Marriage Recognition Reply with quote

lithium wrote:


3% of the US is gay....


Threepercenter.org

What is a 3%er?

What is a patriot? What is a militia? What is a 3%er?

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During the Revolution only 3% of American citizens actually took up arms and fought,they were supported by ( numbers vary) somewhere between 6 to 20 % of citizens who even though not actually fighting supplied weapons,money,food,hiding places,information,etc.

So we took up the title 3% like our Comrades before us even though outnumbered we will fight for Freedom. Arms are the last means to accomplish this. Some think we want a civil war. This couldn't be further from the truth.


Ban firearms because only 3% of the United States bears arms; is something you will never see me write or hear me say.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supreme Court Will Rule On Gay Marriage Nationwide

The Ohio, Michigan, Tennessee, and Kentucky petitioners will have the Supreme Court hear their cases.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is because Europeans (the elite of Europeans) used the language and sanctity of religion to privilege certain arrangements above others. It is best for a society that children be raised in households with a mother in father who are loyal to one another. We want a k-selected society. Religion is a useful way to go about encouraging this. Similarly, if you have an inability to cure STD's and desire few discarded children a society will push sexual restraint.

Then along comes this silly thing called liberalism and like petulant children they scream that because religion isn't True therefore the values are similarly untrue.

Now two men can "marry" each other because marriage isn't an arrangement to promote certain outcomes anymore but a right or a value. Apparently this is the most important thing ever because if we were focused on how the elite are looting us then maybe we'd dislodge them so instead the media (elite propaganda) encourages us to argue about if two men should get married. A double benefit is that a liberal society is a weak, broken and divided society and a weak, broken and divided society is never ever ever ever going to muster the social cohesion necessary to challenge the oligopoly. Win win.

So you people can go on thinking that you're brave challenging a dead religion & that you're an advanced species of open minded and flexible human independently advancing towards Progress. The truth is you're a donkey following a carrot on a stick




..some good writing, there.
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