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Titus



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll dig it up tomorrow.

I tried to read that HRC interview. It is with Jeffery Goldberg. I want my click back.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
I'll dig it up tomorrow.

I tried to read that HRC interview. It is with Jeffery Goldberg. I want my click back.


Thanks. Yeah, I couldn't finish it, I dislike Jeffery Goldberg and I stopped reading it after hrc basically said she wanted a Cold War against Islamism.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's two full discussions of the origins of the claim that the CIA funded ISIS directly.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/hillary-clinton-media-105901.html#.U-qpAfn4co4

You can go to the link to read. I will quote that passage where Global Research arrives with its claim.

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Ten days in, the virus jumped the Atlantic. "ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Trained by Israeli Mossad, NSA Documents Reveal" at the Canadian website Global Research cited as its source Gulf Daily News, which had cited as its source Som Daily News. Having spread geographically from Germany to Iraq to Iran to Lebanon to France to Somalia to Bahrain to Syria, and linguistically from Arabic to Spanish to French to Persian to English, the readily adaptable Snowden Hoax was ideally positioned to infect North America. As a bonus, foreign outlets could now point to an ostensibly authoritative Western source, as happened the next day. As its basis for "Former CIA Agent: 'The Isis Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Was Trained by the Israeli Mossad,'" The Moroccan Times cited the lofty-sounding, Montreal-based Centre for Research on Globalization, a self-described "major news source on the New World Order" that runs the Global Research website.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/establishment-media-moves-to-debunk-isis-cia-asset-story-dismissed-as-snowden-hoax/5395835

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Baker concludes there is no evidence within the Snowden trove of any such plot. She chalks the accusation up to another baseless internet rumor. “Yet Iranian government officials and independent analysts in Iran alike cited IRNA’s report as definitive proof of ISIS’s American and Israeli origins,” she writes.

Evidence of IRNA and the Tehran Times, however, making the claim is suspiciously absent. “Regrettably, not knowing the date of IRNA’s scoop, or being able to view its text online, complicates investigation,” writes Alan Kurtz.

Kurtz traces responsibility for the “Snowden Hoax” to a German website, www.shababek.de, and Kareem al-Baidani. A photo of al-Baidani is used on the Facebook page of Abosamir Albaidani, identified by Kurtz as “an Iraqi Shiite writer based in Munich, Germany” who may or may not be associated with an al-Alam television show, Iraq Today. Al-Alam is an Arabic news channel broadcasting from Iran by the state-owned media corporation Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

The story was picked up by Iran’s Fars New Agency (FNA) and subsequently posted across the internet. It was also cited in a story posted by Infowars.com.

Glenn Greenwald and others state there is no evidence in the Snowden cache that ISIS is linked to the CIA, Mossad or any other intelligence agency.

“The validity of the document,” we wrote on July 19, “cannot be verified due to the exclusivity of the Snowden cache. Cryptome sent a letter to various sources in possession of the documents, including The New York Times, Washington Post, The Guardian, Barton Gellman, Laura Poitrias, Glenn Greenwald, ACLU, EFF and others demanding an accounting. The allegation about ISIS and al-Baghdadi, however, pairs up with other information demonstrating ISIS is an intelligence asset.”

The remainder of our July 19 article lays out broad strokes demonstrating that ISIS is indeed a military and intelligence asset.

The putative (and mercurial) leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was reportedly a “civilian internee” at Camp Bucca, a U.S. military detention facility near Umm Qasr, Iraq. James Skylar Gerrond, a former U.S. Air Force security forces officer and a compound commander at Camp Bucca in 2006 and 2007, said the camp “created a pressure cooker for extremism.”

“Circumstantial evidence suggests that al-Baghdadi may have been mind-controlled while held prisoner by the US military in Iraq,” writes Dr. Kevin Barrett.

In July Nabil Na’eem, the founder of the Islamic Democratic Jihad Party and former top al-Qaeda commander, told the Beirut-based pan-Arab TV station al-Maydeen all current al-Qaeda affiliates, including ISIS, work for the CIA.

In June a Jordanian official told Aaron Klein of WorldNetDaily ISIS members were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan. In 2012 it was reported the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi.

“Key members of ISIS it now emerges were trained by US CIA and Special Forces command at a secret camp in Jordan in 2012, according to informed Jordanian officials,” writes William Engdahl. “The US, Turkish and Jordanian intelligence were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region, conveniently near the borders to both Syria and Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the two Gulf monarchies most involved in funding the war against Syria’s Assad, financed the Jordan ISIS training.”


The evidence is weak, mind-control?, to say the least.
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Here's two full discussions of the origins of the claim that the CIA funded ISIS directly.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/hillary-clinton-media-105901.html#.U-qpAfn4co4

You can go to the link to read. I will quote that passage where Global Research arrives with its claim.

Quote:
Ten days in, the virus jumped the Atlantic. "ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Trained by Israeli Mossad, NSA Documents Reveal" at the Canadian website Global Research cited as its source Gulf Daily News, which had cited as its source Som Daily News. Having spread geographically from Germany to Iraq to Iran to Lebanon to France to Somalia to Bahrain to Syria, and linguistically from Arabic to Spanish to French to Persian to English, the readily adaptable Snowden Hoax was ideally positioned to infect North America. As a bonus, foreign outlets could now point to an ostensibly authoritative Western source, as happened the next day. As its basis for "Former CIA Agent: 'The Isis Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Was Trained by the Israeli Mossad,'" The Moroccan Times cited the lofty-sounding, Montreal-based Centre for Research on Globalization, a self-described "major news source on the New World Order" that runs the Global Research website.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/establishment-media-moves-to-debunk-isis-cia-asset-story-dismissed-as-snowden-hoax/5395835

Global Research responds

Quote:
Baker concludes there is no evidence within the Snowden trove of any such plot. She chalks the accusation up to another baseless internet rumor. “Yet Iranian government officials and independent analysts in Iran alike cited IRNA’s report as definitive proof of ISIS’s American and Israeli origins,” she writes.

Evidence of IRNA and the Tehran Times, however, making the claim is suspiciously absent. “Regrettably, not knowing the date of IRNA’s scoop, or being able to view its text online, complicates investigation,” writes Alan Kurtz.

Kurtz traces responsibility for the “Snowden Hoax” to a German website, www.shababek.de, and Kareem al-Baidani. A photo of al-Baidani is used on the Facebook page of Abosamir Albaidani, identified by Kurtz as “an Iraqi Shiite writer based in Munich, Germany” who may or may not be associated with an al-Alam television show, Iraq Today. Al-Alam is an Arabic news channel broadcasting from Iran by the state-owned media corporation Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

The story was picked up by Iran’s Fars New Agency (FNA) and subsequently posted across the internet. It was also cited in a story posted by Infowars.com.

Glenn Greenwald and others state there is no evidence in the Snowden cache that ISIS is linked to the CIA, Mossad or any other intelligence agency.

“The validity of the document,” we wrote on July 19, “cannot be verified due to the exclusivity of the Snowden cache. Cryptome sent a letter to various sources in possession of the documents, including The New York Times, Washington Post, The Guardian, Barton Gellman, Laura Poitrias, Glenn Greenwald, ACLU, EFF and others demanding an accounting. The allegation about ISIS and al-Baghdadi, however, pairs up with other information demonstrating ISIS is an intelligence asset.”

The remainder of our July 19 article lays out broad strokes demonstrating that ISIS is indeed a military and intelligence asset.

The putative (and mercurial) leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was reportedly a “civilian internee” at Camp Bucca, a U.S. military detention facility near Umm Qasr, Iraq. James Skylar Gerrond, a former U.S. Air Force security forces officer and a compound commander at Camp Bucca in 2006 and 2007, said the camp “created a pressure cooker for extremism.”

“Circumstantial evidence suggests that al-Baghdadi may have been mind-controlled while held prisoner by the US military in Iraq,” writes Dr. Kevin Barrett.

In July Nabil Na’eem, the founder of the Islamic Democratic Jihad Party and former top al-Qaeda commander, told the Beirut-based pan-Arab TV station al-Maydeen all current al-Qaeda affiliates, including ISIS, work for the CIA.

In June a Jordanian official told Aaron Klein of WorldNetDaily ISIS members were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan. In 2012 it was reported the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi.

“Key members of ISIS it now emerges were trained by US CIA and Special Forces command at a secret camp in Jordan in 2012, according to informed Jordanian officials,” writes William Engdahl. “The US, Turkish and Jordanian intelligence were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region, conveniently near the borders to both Syria and Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the two Gulf monarchies most involved in funding the war against Syria’s Assad, financed the Jordan ISIS training.”


The evidence is weak, mind-control?, to say the least.


If the source is global research then I don't believe it at all, those guys are conspiracy nuts who will post any crazy idea that pops into their heads.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/21/the_re_baathification_of_iraq

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The Re-Baathification of Iraq


^ Long piece about how some of the old Saddam allies are our new Hope in Iraq.

Foreign Policy is published by the Washington Post ownership. I remember very clearly WaPo articles, and probably FP articles, from 2002-2004 about how the de-baathification of Iraq was the most important thing ever.
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