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The Ugliness of Nationalism
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: The Ugliness of Nationalism Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:

There are a few of us who have evolved beyond that, not many. Cool



Any plans on joining the club?


Naw, I'm not into clubs.
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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: The Ugliness of Nationalism Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
joelove wrote:
The thinking and the separation of nationalism. What function does this sort of thinking have?


It is a left-over from how we evolved; tribes.

"Us" vs "them", "our way is better, their way is wrong", "I'm afraid of them because they are different". Most posts on Daves are based in this tribal thinking.

There are a few of us who have evolved beyond that, not many. Cool


I dunno. All I can do is repeat what I read or heard from somebody. I'm not a smart person.

I suppose one of the deepest concerns of a human being is security. The physical sense of security is necessary. This extends into a desire for psychological security, which may be an illusion. This is not philosophical.

In the quest for psychological comfort the human being, all over the world, has latched onto various things, and one of those is belonging to groups he calls larger than himself. That is the national identity, with its nationalism, which must entail hatred, and his religious belief. There's more to it as well.

He thinks in this division that he has some security, because it sure feels that way, and it's nice to belong to a big group which has millions, antagonistic to the other groups, of which there are many as well.

This is really all quite basic and just a bunch of words. It sounds like what is going on, but I really don't know.
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Shimokitazawa



Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The races weren't meant to mix.
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
The races weren't meant to mix.


Geographically isolated populations need access to a wider gene pool.
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EZE



Joined: 05 May 2012

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
The races weren't meant to mix.


We're all already mixed.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
The races weren't meant to mix.


It doesn't really mean anything to say "meant to", it happened.

But it's true the races do not mix well, humans like those from their own tribe. Their "tribe" can also mean religion, or political belief. But race is physically apparent.
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EastisEast



Joined: 29 May 2014
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens when peoples, tribes and races don't mix?

Does anyone know?
Devolution. Mental and physical retardation, bastardization, sickness, and a screaming, lingering, howling death.

Humans were meant to mix, otherwise we'd be extinct.

I hear that some people pride themselves on being 'pure' but that just means to me that he secretly wants to hump his sister and mom Shocked
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joelove



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. That's the first thing to start with. But I can go along with things others have said, and looking at it, maybe, have an idea, not a fixed conclusion.

What I imagine happens is that the human mind longs for belonging and also feels pain in attachment. It is in deep conflict. National thought is a part of this.

I'm drunk now, and don't know anything. So shut up and have a nice day.
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was laughing my ass off last week at my Canadian colleagues freaking out that Tim Horton's was bought up by Burger King.

It's funny to laugh at the nationalistic puck-heads when something like this happens.

Remember the chauvinistic "I AM Canadian" Molson Canadian beer adverts in the 1990s? I guess now the question is, are they really Canadian?

Will Tim Horton's now taste as good to the doughnut nationalists?
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jleblanc



Joined: 23 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
I was laughing my ass off last week at my Canadian colleagues freaking out that Tim Horton's was bought up by Burger King.

It's funny to laugh at the nationalistic puck-heads when something like this happens.

Remember the chauvinistic "I AM Canadian" Molson Canadian beer adverts in the 1990s? I guess now the question is, are they really Canadian?

Will Tim Horton's now taste as good to the doughnut nationalists?


Too funny. The sentiment in the U.S. of A. seems to be that Burger King wants to be Canadian to stop paying taxes, so I guess the answer is yes, they really are still Canadian. Very Happy
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joelove



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's more important, I guess, to see how far nationalistic feeling has a hold on you. I doubt any of us are without some sentiment. You know how it goes, you are brought up in your culture, or several if you moved around, and that becomes important. Then you become attached I suppose because that is what you are. This is quite an important thing to most people. We sing songs about a country and praise a flag for some reason. We're just praising ourselves. Looking into it, I figure it's for comfort. But you and I must know there will never be peace in this world, and there will always be trouble, so long as we are interested in nationalistic thought and the separation it involves.
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