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Long timers....has the threat of war ever been this serious?

 
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itiswhatitis



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:36 am    Post subject: Long timers....has the threat of war ever been this serious? Reply with quote

I was in SK 2007-2014.

Was never concerned.

Long timers:

Is this as bad as it has ever been?
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're talking about the newspaper headlines then yes, I'd say they're more frequent and more scaremongering than they've ever been before. if you're asking about the actual threat of war, I have no idea.
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Otus



Joined: 09 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember living close to a base in 1997 and talking with some military personnel who thought they were going over the DMZ (this was sometime after). Apparently Clinton did have some kind of contingency plans, but it just wasn't splashed in the media the way it is now. Clinton's actual plans ended being to give NK the nuclear fuel rods they wanted and in turn NK promised to use them only for energy purposes, not for development of weapons.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest difference is that the U.S. now has a guy like Trump as "Commander-in-Chief" ... http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/353359-trump-undermines-tillerson-with-north-korea-comments

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/10/trump_undermines_tillerson_on_north_korea_who_actually_speaks_for_u_s_foreign.html
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nuthatch



Joined: 21 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how can one person have so much power...especially this one...

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/10/07/trump-bashes-diplomacy-claims-only-one-thing-will-work-north-korea
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the main idea is to convince China that there is a credible threat of war so that they would be pressured to greatly reduce their support for North Korea, but it's a dangerous strategy with someone like Trump in charge ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-case-for-brinksmanship-with-north-korea/2017/10/06/f8f93da8-a958-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nuthatch wrote:
how can one person have so much power...especially this one...

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/10/07/trump-bashes-diplomacy-claims-only-one-thing-will-work-north-korea


Has diplomacy worked before for North Korea. Remember the fuel rods that North Korea said they would use only for peaceful purposes? You can forget diplomacy. That's just something that keeps getting passed around and keeps evil fat Kim smiling with his psychopathic smile, because it appears to be working for him.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump has bullied his way to the top in the U.S. (with lots of help from Russian operatives) but he may not be able to successfully bully the "supreme leader of North Korea" with threats; and the big danger is that NK will unleash as many deadly weapons as they can if/when they learn (through their many spies and hackers) that a planned attack on them is imminent...

The escalation of verbal threats by both Trump and Kim Jong-un has increased the danger of a major war breaking out. I don't think Kim will ever agree to give up all of NK's nuclear weapons, so diplomatically the U.S. would have to make some concession based on containment, rewarding the freezing of further development. In terms of the human costs involved, I think that would be much better than starting a war to try to completely wipe out their nuclear program.

This article is hardly comforting ... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/north-korea-nuclear-war-break-moment-171017034147416.html
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