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Long timers....has the threat of war ever been this serious?
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T-J



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current dialogue, ramping up reminds me very much of ‘90 leading up to the Iraq War. I predict resolution one way or the other by September. Leaning toward preemptive strike unless action by DPRK prior to that date warrants an immediate response. Tick Tock...
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Trump's acceptance of Kim Jong-Un's invitation to meet for peace talks should relieve a lot of tension on the Korean peninsula - at least for a few months - and it could be that North Korea actually is now willing to seriously consider giving up much of its nuclear development for massive economic help and security guarantees (which would be good news indeed ...)
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
I think that Trump's acceptance of Kim Jong-Un's invitation to meet for peace talks should relieve a lot of tension on the Korean peninsula - at least for a few months - and it could be that North Korea actually is now willing to seriously consider giving up much of its nuclear development for massive economic help and security guarantees (which would be good news indeed ...)


I'm not so sure about this. Putting them together is like cramming the two halves of a plutonium bar together resulting in a critical mass of childish name calling and dick waving. Does Trump have a diplomatic bone in his body?
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itiswhatitis



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump is most likely calling the bluff of ordinary South Korean citizens by meeting with the NK dictator.

They show little compassion for their brothers in the North (even though they are the same people on the same peninsula).

Watch for South Koreans to beg the Americans soldiers to stay and to not want to have even the most modest reduction in their standard of living in order to support their brothers in the North.

Sk president Moon must be walking a fineline; he knows he cannot show weakness because South Koreans do not like that. Just as South Koreans do not give in with their daily petty spats with other "South" Koreans they do not want to give in with their brothers in the North.

Just as there is a pattern of escalation until the police being called of daily petty conflicts amongst ordinary "South" Koreans, there will likely be an escalation between the "North" and "South". I hate to say it, but a clear pattern of escalation exists with regards to how Koreans handle conflict.

This is not about Trump/Kim/Moon.

If one wants to know why Koreans are still living on a divided peninsula (in spite of having since 1953 under American protection to end their war) look no further than ordinary South Korean citizens. They are the ones to blame.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itiswhatitis wrote:
Trump is most likely calling the bluff of ordinary South Korean citizens by meeting with the NK dictator.

They show little compassion for their brothers in the North (even though they are the same people on the same peninsula).

Watch for South Koreans to beg the Americans soldiers to stay and to not want to have even the most modest reduction in their standard of living in order to support their brothers in the North.

Sk president Moon must be walking a fineline; he knows he cannot show weakness because South Koreans do not like that. Just as South Koreans do not give in with their daily petty spats with other "South" Koreans they do not want to give in with their brothers in the North.

Just as there is a pattern of escalation until the police being called of daily petty conflicts amongst ordinary "South" Koreans, there will likely be an escalation between the "North" and "South". I hate to say it, but a clear pattern of escalation exists with regards to how Koreans handle conflict.

This is not about Trump/Kim/Moon.

If one wants to know why Koreans are still living on a divided peninsula (in spite of having since 1953 under American protection to end their war) look no further than ordinary South Korean citizens. They are the ones to blame.


Excellent! You pretty much summarized the situation.

SK soldier numbers and enlistment times are being cut back. Soldier combat ability is at question now. What will the situation be when the soldiers are doing 18 months of service, or less? War Plan, retreat to Busan?

Having the US military in SK brings more economic benefits to the country than the paltry $1 Billion it spends to subsidize it.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The threat of China-US war has just leapfrogged the potential for any peninsular conflict.
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T-J



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
The threat of China-US war has just leapfrogged the potential for any peninsular conflict.


Pompeo and now Bolton. I think preventative first strike is back in the lead.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully, the recent secret meetings between Mike Pompeo and Kim Jong-un can somehow produce a tenable peace accord - even if Trump gets credit for it ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/17/world/asia/trump-japan-north-korea-summit-talks.html

And reportedly, NK will not demand withdrawal of U.S. troops from South Korea as a precondition for denuclearization talks ... https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-seeks-complete-denuclearization-says-moon-u-vows-102357538.html
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ebrann



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wild card now, which has never existed before, is a US leader who answers only to his own ego, with no regard to anyone or anything else. Trump will order a strike on the North if and when he perceives that he will gain ego points for it. The only thing that can stop him if he gives the order is the leadership of the military who know they can't win. (I don't think anyone would call it a win if NK got lucky and hit LA with a nuke even though the North would end up as a crater.)

I've always viewed the North's nuclear program as defensive. The US has threatened to annihilate them dozens of times. Kim Jong Un just wants to be left alone to rule his kingdom. He knows he is far too weak to defeat the South.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, despite the egos involved, prospects for peace on the Korean peninsula have never looked so good as they do now ...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea/north-koreas-kim-to-invite-u-s-experts-for-nuclear-site-shutdown-as-trump-presses-for-full-denuclearization-idUSKBN1HZ04K?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter
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oatmeal



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry but anyone who actually believes North Korea was ever a real threat to attack South Korea is delusional. This isn't the 1950s. That was a different world. North Korea today is not threatening anyone of war. It is the USA that is threatening war on Korean soil.

The US is a war mongering country because they thrive on the business of war and sales of arms....it's a fact, look it up.

I've said it for years. NK/SK will be better off working towards peace with the US out of the picture. As long as the US sticks their nose in here like they do in so many other parts of the world, there will always be tension and threats uttered back and forth because NK will not concede to the US. NK does want to pursue peace and cooperation with the global community but the US paints them as an evil regime because they don't want to give up their nuclear program? Let's see US give up their nuclear program and see how well they respond to that? NK has the right to protect themselves. If it were not for their nukes, the US would have bombed NK like they did Iraq and Afghanistan and many other nations.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true that the threats are directed more to the U.S. now than towards South Korea, but those overt and implicit threats pose danger to South Korea unless a peace deal is reached. Although the U.S. has degraded morally under Trump, it's not as bad as North Korea ... https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/north-korea
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although Trump evidently canceled the scheduled peace summit with North Korea, I think that he (despite his war-monger advisers) and the other parties involved are strongly motivated to to negotiate a peace deal soon...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/seoul-north-korea-committed-us-summit-denuclearization-012000665.html
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