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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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 Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject: Londoners, will infidels be allowed to use... |
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| the internet under Dhimi law? You are much closer to the capitol and thus should know more. |
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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Location: TALKING TO STRANGERS, IN A BETTER PLACE
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| sorry, can't be arsed to google, what are you refering to? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Where people of the Book live in an Islamic nation under Sharia law, they are forbidden from being considerd free and equal citizens. By Islamic law they can only liv if they submit to living as a dhimmi (second class protected citizen). Once they giv up equal rights, they are then given a number of rights by the Islamic community, such as the right to freely practice their faith in private. The people of the book had their own courts and jugdes but they could also choose to go to a Muslim qadi. The communities had local representatives, a role which was most often played by the bishop or patriarch. These were responsible for the tenure of the conditions of the contract - peace, obedience and order - between the Muslim ruler and the community. (Hourani, 1991) Dhimmis are also given additional responsibility and burdens, such as the payment of a special tax called jizyah ("skull tax"), but they are exempt from the zakat, the alms tax every Muslims has to pay. If Jews or Christians refuse to accept dhimmi status, the Quran holds that Muslims may declare war on them. Dhimmis were exempt from doing military service. "In the middle of the 19th century the 'protected minorities' were filled with dismay when it was suggested that they should share a common Ottoman nationality with the Muslims, since this would have meant liability for military service." (Gibb, 1968)
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| I still don't know what you're talking about. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| I still don't know what you're talking about. |
This is dulouz's new debating strategy. It makes it harder to be refuted when no one understands you.
I think I see where Mith's "do any of you anti-Islamists actually have the tiniest clue about what you're talking about?" thread comes from.
We're all being trolled. No one's really this ignorant. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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thankyou.
and many people from england will have prayed for you too. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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BigBlack,
Prayers are worthless. It just gives an opportunity for Muslims to do nothing special. Its just an opportunity to spend more time at the Mosque and talk about themselves again. So please stick the prayers. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to find the perps and protect ourselves.
So please stick the prayers. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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BigBlack,
Prayers are worthless. It just gives an opportunity for Muslims to do nothing special. Its just an opportunity to spend more time at the Mosque and talk about themselves again. So please stick the prayers. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to find the perps and protect ourselves.
So please stick the prayers. |
The Lemon accurately observed:
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| We're all being trolled. |
I personally think that Lemon's comment is about as much response as a typical Dulouz post warrants anymore. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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The Dhimmi code is a body of law in Islam that dictates what infidels can do in daily life. What kind of public service they can perform, what kind of school they can attend and what kind of job they can attend. I can make a sarcastic comment about this being th future of London and I can make an nonsarcatic comment. The latter would not be unrealisitic. Planning for the life of one's children requires requires long term thought.
My later post concerned the value of prayer. I know there are articles about the psycological aspects but what is the material value and what are the political capital values of prayer?
Does prayer have any material value? No, it doesn't. I can't write a nice prayer and send it along with my gas bill. Why should I be appreciative?
It's really a gesture of indulgence.
If Red Ken urged tolerance toward Muslims and then said, see they prayed for you, would I be beholden to some manner of indebtedness for the act? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:07 am Post subject: |
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From the article
"These attacks were barbaric and committed by people who don't belong to any religion. This cannot be done in the name of God."
This is obviously false, and as long as the muslim community continues to bury its head in the sand over the real problem of fanatics within its midst, this problem is unlikely to be addressed. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Planning for the life of one's children requires requires long term thought.
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Over and over again I've said repeatedly that avoiding redundancy only requires short term thought. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Over and over again I've said repeatedly that avoiding redundancy only requires short term thought. |
Post of the week!  |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| bigverne wrote: |
From the article
"These attacks were barbaric and committed by people who don't belong to any religion. This cannot be done in the name of God."
This is obviously false, and as long as the muslim community continues to bury its head in the sand over the real problem of fanatics within its midst, this problem is unlikely to be addressed. |
so what exactly do you think they should do? |
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