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[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Al Qadia would get more press from an attack in the US than an attack in Iraq.

They would never turn down a chance to hit the US homeland.

The Patriot act probably is the reason the US hasn't been hit.

It will probably be attacked again but were it not for the Patriot act the US probably would have already been hit.

[Nowhere Man]

Wow. Quite an interesting stew to pick through.

I don't normally agree with Les about most anything, but his point about the usage of "agenda" is correct, and Yata's use of the "reading comprehension" defense ought to be considered expired. It is very convenient to put oneself above others because of your superior analytical skills, but it is another thing to actually defend one's position as such. See Gord. Yata, you also hold no right to such a position. I vehemently disagree with a great many people on this board, but I think they by and large comprehend my posts, and I theirs.

I'm not trying to put myself above you. All I'm saying is let their be no gods here.

Now, without insulting his reading skills, let's take Joo's post to support the Patriot Act.

The evidence: No attack since 9/11
His reason: Patriot Act

His argument: The Patriot Act has made us safer.

The counter-arguments:

There were no attacks after the first WTC bombing for over 8 years.

Because of the Patriot Act? No.

There wasn't a Patriot Act.

Does the "peace" (like that of last weekend.NOT) mean the Patriot Act is working?

No.


Arar?
Arar?
Arar?
Arar?
Arar?
Arar?

[Bulsajo]

I'm not sure how Arar fits in with the Patriot Act.
He's not a US citizen.
Wouldn't what happened to him could have happened regardless of whether the Patriot Act legislation had passed or not? (Not a rhetorical question, I really don't know but suspect the answer is 'yes'.)
Canadians are concerned about Arar, but from the American viewpoint it's pretty much a non-issue.
He's a household name in Canada but I'd be surprised if 1 in 10 Americans knew who he was, and why should they?

[bucheon bum]

Yeah, never heard of the dude and I am more informed than your avg. american.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[khyber]

i wonder how many charges and and conviction have been found based on the patriot act?
Anyone care to google that?
nooo......

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

not many but they have gotten several people on lesser charges.

That is what the director of homeland security said anyway.

But it is an obstacle in the way of the those who want to terrorize the US.

I can't say for certain that it has made the US safer but it seems it has.

[khyber]

[Nowhere Man]

I'm not saying that Arar was a part of the Patriot Act. Rather, he is a very good, largely unknown example of how the very principles upon which America was founded are being violated in the name of protecting our "peace".

Arar is circumstantial evidence that evil things are afoot in the US.

In a nutshell:

A Canadian of Middle Eastern descent is flying back to the Middle East for a visit. From Canada, he has a stopover at JFK airport. While at JFK, he is removed from the plane, allegedly given an injection and interrogated. From there, he is (not allegedly, but for certain) flown to Jordan, put in a van and driven to SYRIA, where he is put in a shallow grave for a prison and tortured for months.

Why? Because he signed a rental agreement in Canada with someone allegedly linked to Bin Laden/Al Quaeda.

Then what happens? With the help of family, friends, and the Canadian government, he is returned to Canada without charge!!!

This is the most f-ed up thing that I know of happening in the past 5 years. Who knows about it? NO ONE except for Canadians.

Why is there no coverage of this in America and the rest of the world?

That's the screwed thing about it.

As for no attacks since 9/11, how many attacks were there after the '93 bombing of the WTC? None until 9/11. Did the Patriot Act prevent such attacks? NO.

So why hasn't the US been attacked? The author of the article claims it is because of the Patriot Act, but we might also attribute it to the fact Kelly Clarkson won American Idol. It could have been due to the Paris Hilton video. I personally believe it was the Rock's performance in The Scorpion King.

All of this occured post-9/11.

Ted Kennedy was put on a "no-fly" list (no-fly list="patriotic" harassment).

But, hey, we gotta keep America safe.

How to do it?
Say White House leaks are hunk-dory, as long as they're "patriotic".
Say White House leaks are a "non-story".

Is Arar a "non-story"?
No, it remains a story waiting to happen.
Let it wait
and wait
and wait
and wait.
ZERO CHANCE the White House doesn't know about it.
It's the "liberal media" ignoring this.

To sum up, the US has no business deporting prisoners for torture to a country they openly hold in contempt for human rights violations.

That is not only un-patriotic. It is criminal.

Lawyers for Saddam Hussein are already planning on citing US war crimes that have gone untried.

Not that that should exonerate him, but there is a need for parity, which doesn't exist.

But, as long as few know, I'll repeat it.

Arar
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[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Does what happened with Anar mean the whole patriot act should be tossed out?

Besides 9-11 happened when there was no Patriot act.

Since the US has had the Patriot act there have been no attacks in the US.

What is the reason? Do you think Al Qaida would rather hit Europe than the US?

I also favor a national ID that would have not affected the Anar case either way why is such a thing not a good idea?

[Nowhere Man]