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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Last night I was able to call the appartment warden, get him to get me a direct line to the flat upstairs, and complain to them about the noise, ask them to keep it down,and they stopped. It was a rush, even better than learning how to order a pizza.The sense of achievement in learning a language is awesome- even if it is only Korean.
Learning korean- best tip is to make korean friends. You'll learn what you need to know, the day-to-day stuff- and bypass the irrelevant stuff. |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:30 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
Learning to read hangul in a day? Do you include all the alterations that occur with different consonant combinations? If so, I take my hat off to you ... |
Take your hat off son, it took me a few hours. At first I was slow but by the end of the week my reading speed was pretty good or so I was told. Anyhow learning to read and write is easy, comprehension is a totally different story. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:50 am Post subject: |
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kimcheeking wrote: |
Take your hat off son, it took me a few hours. |
i call BS
the basics I can believe, but all of the patchim transformations? naaaaah |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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I call BS, too. It took me about a week, with a Korean person indirectly assisting me, and I'm a fast learner. I also only had the Lonely Planet as a guide... |
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cletus awreetus-awrightus
Joined: 26 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know... a few hours sounds about right to me. An hour a day for five days or five hours one day, or something like that, and I think you could do it |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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cletus awreetus-awrightus wrote: |
I don't know... a few hours sounds about right to me. An hour a day for five days or five hours one day, or something like that, and I think you could do it |
basic shapes + sounds + syllable formation = 5 hours? Possible. At a stretch even throw in the compound vowels. I'll agree to that.
but I have difficulty believing someone could memorise the entire phoenemic system within a day - things like (romanisation-wise)
k+r=ngn
k+m=ngm
ng+r=ngn
n+r=ll
h+d=t
tt+n=nn
n+b=mb
b+n=mn
etc...
If you and kimcheeking managed to start from scratch and have a handle on this within a day i'll take my hat off too. Not only that, I'll eat it. Without salt OR pepper.
But you'd be absolute rarities. For people who've never had any exposure to Korean before the deal is 'learn to convert to romanisation' in a day. |
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Wombat
Joined: 28 May 2003 Location: slutville
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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I've been here for about 17 months now, and have only aquired very basic reading skills. "Oh, that's a "p", there's an "m"" etc. I don't know why I haven't learned; it's not that it's too difficult for me (no jokes about cunning linguists please!). It's just...I don't know - interest maybe? I like Sanskrit. I feel that learning Korean exstensively, while fun, has no real end-purpose for me. Sanskrit, on the other hand, is a life-long flirtation.
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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I learned all the basic sounds on a rainy afternoon. It took me forever to sound out even a few syllables, but my speed kept building up.
I think most people can learn the sound system very quickly, but increasing your reading speed takes time. |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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gang ah jee wrote: |
For people who've never had any exposure to Korean before the deal is 'learn to convert to romanisation' in a day. |
I didn't learn to convert to romanization. I learned the sounds as they sound in Korean. When I studied Japanese I did the same thing. Romanization of a language that uses a different script is useful for travellers but not for a serious student. It is just a crutch that will ultimately slow you down.
I don't claim to have perfect pronunciation, but I do stand by what I said earlier, it is easy to learn how to read and write Korean, including all the patchim transformations, within one day. Reading quickly or fluently is not what I claim to have been able to do.
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:10 am Post subject: |
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HA! I don't even have a hat. suckers |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:28 am Post subject: |
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kimcheeking wrote: |
When I studied Japanese I did the same thing. |
If you learned Japanese before you learned Korean, you CHEATED!!! |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
If you learned Japanese before you learned Korean, you CHEATED!!! |
Why is that cheating? Anyhow that was back in University and I don't know much Japanese anymore... just a few stock phrases and counting to ten. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:57 am Post subject: |
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It's cheating because you were already familiar with hiragana/katakana, which is really just more complex hangul(numberwise). Since you already had an idea of what to expect walking into it, you knew what to look for.
Likewise, if I sit down and start studying Japanese now, I'll be at an advantage with learning the hiragana/katakana, and I also have a slight advantage with the kanji, since I studied a bit of Chinese when I was younger. I could also learn one of the other romance languages besides French(like Spanish), because I'm more familiar with what to expect. |
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Trinny
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:32 am Post subject: |
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No Zyzyfers,
hirakana and katakana all look the same and are difficult to decipher, when all jumbled together.
What is a killer about Kanji is that one character has at least 2 or 3 different pronunciations and you have to choose a right pronunciation for a specific context. Japanese is easy enough at the beginning level, but cannot be mastered in a short term. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Trinny wrote: |
No Zyzyfers,
hirakana and katakana all look the same and are difficult to decipher, when all jumbled together.
What is a killer about Kanji is that one character has at least 2 or 3 different pronunciations and you have to choose a right pronunciation for a specific context. Japanese is easy enough at the beginning level, but cannot be mastered in a short term. |
Mm hmmm....and hangul is similarly a beginner's field day. The only perplexing thing about hiragana/katakana to me is the sheer number of bits to learn. Aren't there like 60+? |
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