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rapier · Joined: 16 Feb 2003

indiercj: you make a side- point in saying N.korean women are traded like slaves..this is wholly true, and true also of the other poorer countries of Asia, such as cambodia, Phillipines,Vietnam and thailand, where the young and pretty women are merely a cash crop to be harvested and trafficked all over the world as sex slaves, to work as prostitutes- an appalling situation.North korean women must be among the most desperate and vulnerable of targets for the gangsters/ people traffickers.
Each Asian country's men pride themselves on the idea that they import foreign women (never admitting to using their own) as sex slaves. Korea and japan together provide a ready cash market, as every Ajoshi is down at the massage parlour every weekend. I lay the blame squareley with Asian men and their attitudes. I'm truly surprised that korea doesn't have a higher level of AIDS infection.
But, any way, this is a side issue.....ho hum...

ulsanchris · Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess

maybe indiercj is right and that some of the people at the demonstration were facists or at least extremely right wing people with some screwy ideas. indiercj could you give the names of some of these people or the group they belong to and proof of what they believe in. A link to one of their websites perhaps.
However I feel that calling all war veterans fasicsts is going to far. I"m sure the majority don't like N. Korea and do not have any facist leanings.
indiercj You are looking at this in too simple of a light. There are more to life than facists and socialists.
As for the sunshine policy I believe trying to be nice to N. Korea is not a bad idea. However bending over back words to make N. Korea happy and caving into their petty demands weakens the S. Korean stance, and damages the chances of reunification. Greedy men will just take advantage of such situations.

rapier · Joined: 16 Feb 2003

Democracy is failing in S.Korea, if people are now afraid to speak out about Kim jong Il- because their own president Roh is the dear leader's b**ch.

Cthulhu · Joined: 02 Feb 2003

Call me a fascist (ironic, that), but I'm not going to get into the historical evils of the Chosun Ilbo if they are printing sensible stuff right now. Others can argue their past, but I'll take what the Chosun writes these days over the Hankyoreh or the "Citizen's Groups" (Minjumoksori etc.) any day of the week. At least Chosun doesn't buy into the "we are borthers so let's ignore everything the North does" that the latter groups do. With that in mind, I completely agree with their editorial over the latest Taegu Games' incident.

North's Democracy Lesson

KoreanLifer · Joined: 30 Jan 2003

kool Chosun.com editorial

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200308/200308250024.html

Cthulhu · Joined: 02 Feb 2003

Uh, yes it was. Confused

Alias · Joined: 24 Jan 2003

<As for the sunshine policy I believe trying to be nice to N. Korea is not a bad idea. However bending over back words to make N. Korea happy and caving into their petty demands weakens the S. Korean stance, and damages the chances of reunification. >

Agreed. I also think that any humanitarian aid that is given to the North should be monitored by an international agency to make sure that it is distributed properly to those in need and not to feed the military machine.

What is wrong with that?

rapier · Joined: 16 Feb 2003

People like indiercj and gord are useful to have on here because they are the few defenders of the minguk we have, to balance our views.

ulsanchris · Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess

It's good to have what we say questioned, otherwise how can we be sure if we are right.

Vince · Joined: 05 May 2003

Trinny · Joined: 01 Feb 2003

Indiercj,

As the previous poster mentioned that you and Gord should run away together.

One thing you don't know for sure is whether these demonstrators that "ganged up" with the German doctor had supported the past military dictators or the crimes these dictators committed. Neither did you know that the Japanese protestors who demanded the returning of the kidnapped are Japanese imperialists as you put it.

The problem with your argument is that you started with a lot of assumptions on your part and you didn't question them, as I have challenged you to do so in my previous posts.

If Koreans want to reunite with their family members in the North, it is a good cause. If Japanese want to do the same, they are the Japanese right wing groups, who refuse to apologize for their past wrongdoings. These evil Japanese!

You must have read Chosun Ilbo or whatever newspapers thoroughly together with other Korean right-wingers. You must also have read the columns in the said newspaper. Does that mean you are a facist too? Following your logic, it is clear that you are one of the avid readers of the particular newspaper and that means you are a Korean facist.

This is my last post in this thread, because I have the impression that this debate is going nowhere.

Romulus · Joined: 07 May 2003 Location: Ilbon/Japan

The sunshine policy just prolongs the suffering of the people in the north by reinforcing the criminal regime there.I dont even pretend to call that a government more like a crime group.Even El Baradei (IAEA) says they are trying to blackmail the international community

You want to help the northerners?Help the thirty thousand women in China.I see lots of American,Japanese,and European helping but little help from the south.

The current president Roh is a sellout who is prolonging the suffering of the people in the north.

If people in the south have been persecuted for their political beliefs then expose those who have violated their rights and seek justice.But the leaders dont really care.They are more interested in building coalitions with those people to get elected,win a Nobel Prize or get rich.They dont care about the people at all.