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Longtimer: Would you come to SK now? |
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Lolimahro
Joined: 19 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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I was in Korea from 2002-2004 with my parents and came back in 2009 as a graduate with a family. If I had to do it again, and I had to choose between Korea and anywhere else, I'd probably choose Korea. While Chinese seemed easier to learn than Korean at first, I always had trouble with the tones, and people refused to speak to me in Chinese. Also, reading Chinese is a bear compared to learning hangeul, especially with all the English loan words in Korean.
While I seem to remember Chinese being more overtly "friendly" in general (I was invited to numerous feasts and vacations by students and co-workers while in China), I at least feel somewhat less "foreign" here than in China, like I can live a normal life and not be bombarded with attention, questions, and "will you be my friend?" all the time. I like feeling grafted into the local populace, however not-grafted-in I may truly be; I like to feel like a normal person, and on most days, I get that here.
This became just as true when I moved out to rural Incheon (from Seoul, Mokdong). I find the people to be much more friendly and down-to-earth here; I don't feel like the neighborhood is a fashion strip, and I have friendly conversations with my neighbors nearly every day.
Finally, the costs of raising a family overseas and the cost of paying debt back home necessitate a 2.2~2.3mil monthly net income for us. As we have 1.2 million remaining in our account after sending money home, we rely on school-provided housing to afford our living.
If I had to do it a different way, I guess I would have stayed in the U.S. and gotten a teaching credential or a Master's Degree while my husband finished his B.A. Then I could have come to Korea and made a lot more money and my husband would be employable. Or, we could have gone somewhere else overseas - perhaps I could have worked for DODDs or for an international school in Europe or the Middle East. But my background in the Korean language would have made Korea the most likely choice still. |
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SinclairLondon
Joined: 17 Sep 2010
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Would have come directly to SE Asia, instead of doing Korea and Thailand during breaks. Less money, but its not one endless cycle of drunken monotony which sustains the masses in Korea. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:48 am Post subject: |
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SinclairLondon wrote: |
Would have come directly to SE Asia, instead of doing Korea and Thailand during breaks. Less money, but its not one endless cycle of drunken monotony which sustains the masses in Korea. |
If anything, I'd think there would be more drinking in Southeast Asia because of the temperature, atmosphere and cheap alcohol. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:42 am Post subject: |
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T-J wrote: |
Came to Korea in 1991 and the opportunities of that time that first brought me here no longer exist. I would find a different place to start out if I were at that point in my life again. |
But where to is the big question.
Would you guys say China?
Somewhere on this list?:
http://worldoftefl.com/top-esl-teaching-destinations-for-2014/
Somewhere else? |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Arrived in 2007. If I could start over, I would have made the same mistake. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Koreadays wrote: |
everyone knows someone who has been to Korea to teach, they have all said how sweet it is, the girls are hot, the privates pay from 40-50 bucks a hour.,hakwon jobs are doable, free house, air ticket, heaps of foreigners here from our cities or province , drinking in Itaewon, hondgae, cheap food, and SOJU, the city is awesome man!! forget north korea he is all talk.... |
You are seriously delusional. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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World Traveler wrote: |
T-J wrote: |
Came to Korea in 1991 and the opportunities of that time that first brought me here no longer exist. I would find a different place to start out if I were at that point in my life again. |
But where to is the big question.
Would you guys say China?
Somewhere on this list?:
http://worldoftefl.com/top-esl-teaching-destinations-for-2014/
Somewhere else? |
I arrived in Korea in 1997 and from my understanding the wages are the same as they were in 1999...some 15 years later. Pretty nuts IMO.
Would I do it again if I was a fresh grad, sure. I had student loans to pay, no car, and no way to get to good job interviews. Though if I were allowed to go back in time, I'd just get a law degree and have been a lawyer rather than an educator.
As for China. I've been here 5yrs. The opportunities here would blow your mind. The problem is the pollution, which would also blow most people's minds. To put it into a good perspective: I am making $20k a year more today than I did 5yrs ago. (To be fair, I also got an MA in the last 5 years which helped add about 5k+ to that increase.)
China is going to be what Korea was in the 1990s. Maybe not Shanghai or Beijing due to how expensive it is to live there, but there are tons of other cities with high paying jobs and opportunities for privates galore. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:55 am Post subject: |
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I've also read on this forum that starting a non-ESL biz in China isn't that hard and that many expats do just that, whereas expats in Korea are pretty much limited to bars, restaurants or hakwons.
That said, I wouldn't sacrifice five years of my life to live in Beijing. I also hear petty theft is pretty common there, as is cars running red lights and stuff. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Korean spouse, Korea.
Single, China.
Only for 1 year, flip a coin.
Long-term earnings potential, China. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Draz wrote: |
I don't know what I'd do if I were graduating from uni now. Probably go to grad school to try to delay the decision another few years. |
I'd join the Peace Corps. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Yaya wrote: |
That said, I wouldn't sacrifice five years of my life to live in Beijing. I also hear petty theft is pretty common there, as is cars running red lights and stuff. |
Yeah, glad no one runs red lights and stuff here. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Actually, running red lights has become less frequent in recent years. I've been quite disappointed. It was one thing I really enjoyed about living here. Now, I obey traffic laws more because everybody else seems to do that. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yaya wrote: |
I've also read on this forum that starting a non-ESL biz in China isn't that hard and that many expats do just that, whereas expats in Korea are pretty much limited to bars, restaurants or hakwons.
That said, I wouldn't sacrifice five years of my life to live in Beijing. I also hear petty theft is pretty common there, as is cars running red lights and stuff. |
Petty theft is pretty insane...I worry all the time about my apartment being broken into, especially when I am on holidays.
I guess in my area it must be getting slightly better. My first year here the expats living in the sweeter digs in this town were targetted. Their apts were broken in and pretty brashly too: smashing the sliding door going to the balcony and then going in and robbing the place: sometimes this was done while people were home too
The teacher in the room beside me was in a different area of town and on the 4th floor. Her roommate left the bathroom window open...a small small window. Someone climbed up the drainpipe and managed to get in through the window. Both people were sleeping and got robbed.
Lately I haven't heard of anyone having this experience, but I worry about it.
This is not to say it doesn't happen in Korea. My last year working there my co-worker went on vacation and someone used a crowbar and pried open his steel door in the villa he was living in...they bent the door so it opened. NO ONE called the cops or anything, so his place was open for up to 2 weeks. They took everything of value...I just can't get over no one calling the cops.
The red light comment: it happens EVERYWHERE, doesn't matter if you are in Asia or back home, it is human nature. The driving on the wrong side of the street they do here though is mind blowing. I saw so many people driving on the wrong side/way of entrance ramps to the local highway... |
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fustiancorduroy
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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wooden nickels wrote: |
Korean spouse, Korea.
Single, China.
Only for 1 year, flip a coin.
Long-term earnings potential, China. |
Do elaborate on this. From what I've seen, the top salaries in China still aren't close to what they are in Korea. Even if you factor in doing private tutoring in China or the lower cost of living, you can still make more in Korea. Or are you referring to 5 or 10 years down the road? Or do you perhaps mean opening a business in China? |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:45 am Post subject: |
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fustiancorduroy wrote: |
wooden nickels wrote: |
Korean spouse, Korea.
Single, China.
Only for 1 year, flip a coin.
Long-term earnings potential, China. |
Do elaborate on this. From what I've seen, the top salaries in China still aren't close to what they are in Korea. Even if you factor in doing private tutoring in China or the lower cost of living, you can still make more in Korea. Or are you referring to 5 or 10 years down the road? Or do you perhaps mean opening a business in China? |
With one of the better jobs in China, the earnings/savings potential is approximately the same as Korea. China's salaries are going up. Korea's salaries are at a stand-still.
With a Korean spouse, the earnings potential is good in Korea.
I see China as the new English market. I believe there are long term advantages there. |
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