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Swartz
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| Leon wrote: |
| And I think you can make the case that some of our friends on this site who think of themselves on the right care far less about constitutional protections and small government than about ethnicity/nationalism/whatever their hobbyhorse is. |
Perhaps if the establishment right had been even remotely effective at limiting government and stopping the other side from importing a new voter base, there wouldn't be a need for Whites to engage in identity politics and we could go back to talking about all these wonderful abstract principles.
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| I think making it a partisan issue obfuscates the fact that a large number of Americans would like to limit free speech, the only disagreement is of which type of speech they dislike. |
If only your implied parity was in any way realistic. Since the establishment right mentioned above has proven itself to be little more than a stooge of the left, it's not. The left controls the narrative, dominates the halls of power, and is the leading force behind this move to create a “hate speech” loophole to free speech. Leftists talking about the right limiting free speech is about as irrelevant as their cries of fascism. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| All this talk of free speech is fine and well in the abstract, but back to the nonpartisan topic at hand-- the quality, and/or lack of it of the American Thinker site that has become more and more prevalent at our humble esl forum. |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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trueblue
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Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Titus2
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Democrats, as far as I can tell, seem to be very much for freedom of speech, freedom of the press, unreasonable search/seizure, a right to not be compelled in court to be a witness against yourself, cruel and unusual punishment, etc.
I'm not aware of many democrats that work to eliminate these rights. |
1) Freedom of speech: see "hate speech"
2) Freedom of the press: a childish notion. The press is a component of a Regime. Democrats are the inner party of the Regime. The press is not distinct from the Regime. Do you understand that? Anyway, liberalism is enforced by economic terrorism. There are ways to ensure the regime consensus is not challenged that don't involve closing newspapers: https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/
3) What's "unreasonable"? Anyway, the police of solidly Democrat cities (SF, NYC, etc) are oders of magnitude more aggressive than Republican areas. This is related to #2, where places like SF/NYC are where the Regime chooses to live, and as such the rules are different. I assume this is true in Damascus and Pyongyang too.
4) A right to not be etc etc: This right does not exist in any meaningful way.
5) Cruel and unusual punishment: I suppose you'll reference water boarding? Yeah, maybe they don't like it. They'll drone your wedding from the sky and murder your whole family, but won't water board you. IF you're thinking more domestic, it is even more ridiculous, but that topic will go on for pages and I don't have sufficient interest so win for you. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus2 wrote: |
| TorontoToronto wrote: |
Democrats, as far as I can tell, seem to be very much for freedom of speech, freedom of the press, unreasonable search/seizure, a right to not be compelled in court to be a witness against yourself, cruel and unusual punishment, etc.
I'm not aware of many democrats that work to eliminate these rights. |
1) Freedom of speech: see "hate speech"
2) Freedom of the press: a childish notion. The press is a component of a Regime. Democrats are the inner party of the Regime. The press is not distinct from the Regime. Do you understand that? Anyway, liberalism is enforced by economic terrorism. There are ways to ensure the regime consensus is not challenged that don't involve closing newspapers: https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/
3) What's "unreasonable"? Anyway, the police of solidly Democrat cities (SF, NYC, etc) are oders of magnitude more aggressive than Republican areas. This is related to #2, where places like SF/NYC are where the Regime chooses to live, and as such the rules are different. I assume this is true in Damascus and Pyongyang too.
4) A right to not be etc etc: This right does not exist in any meaningful way.
5) Cruel and unusual punishment: I suppose you'll reference water boarding? Yeah, maybe they don't like it. They'll drone your wedding from the sky and murder your whole family, but won't water board you. IF you're thinking more domestic, it is even more ridiculous, but that topic will go on for pages and I don't have sufficient interest so win for you. |
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Titus2
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| What is CC. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus2 wrote: |
| What is CC. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Last I checked, this site is not run by the government. |
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