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[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Right of return to Israeli proper.

I think there should be right of return to the Gaza strip and the West Bank, but not to Israel. plus compensation for land lost,

Arafat wanted "right of return" for Palestinians who have never been to Israel, that way he could vote Israel out of existance in a few years.

several posters on this board -though not on this thread have called for right of return to Israel for all Palestinian refugees.

[Yu_Bum_suk]

So does no Zionist apologist care to post stats on how many Jews and Arabs were living in present-day greater Israel in the 1900s, 1800s, 1700s, etc., and disabuse me of the belief that if Zionists wanted to 'reclaim' an 'historically Jewish place' Brooklyn or Washington Heights would be a far safer option?

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

How about the whole mid east?

[Summer Wine]

There was book that answered these questions, but it would take too long to find and then you would have to compare that to the number of arabs in the region to see if it proves the answer.

So does no Zionist apologist care to post stats on how many Jews and Arabs were living in present-day greater Israel in the 1900s, 1800s, 1700s, etc., and disabuse me of the belief that if Zionists wanted to 'reclaim' an 'historically Jewish place' Brooklyn or Washington Heights would be a far safer option?

Arguments about the growth of Israel and growth of citizens have been made in the past by Israeli liberals. Very interesting reading. Its not a cut and dry answer, plus you have to take into account expulsion of jews from Arab countries if you want to be fair, because they were part in parcel with the creation of Israel. So if you want a sum numbers game, that may not support either side of an argument. It probably would have been used if it had.

[sundubuman]

here's a fact though.....

if a Libyan, hearing of a job on a "Zionist construction site" migrated to "Palestine" in 1945.......and met a lovely lass from Syria, who had taken a job in booming Jewish Tel Aviv in 42..........and the two of them got married in 1946.....

and in 48....the two of them, hearing about and fearing war fled eastward towards Jordan along with hundreds of thousands of fellow Arabs.

and then a few years later the United Nations comes through checking on who might have been a refugee from the War...offering housing and food aid. Well, they of course, worried about their kids, sign up. Eventually all 9 of their children receive UN sponsored designation as "displaced Arabs"(later...Palestinians), eligible for benefits.

60 years later, their descendants number in the hundreds, and all of them, now registered as ancient displaced Palestinians (even though Grandpa came from Libya, and Grandma from Syria), are still eligible for global welfare checks as administered by the UN. And, unlike their grand (great?) grandparents...who moved to the future Israel seeking opportunity, they were raised with a burning hatred of Israel, celebrating those who blow up Jews on buses and at restaurants.

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[R. S. Refugee]

[Summer Wine]

And a Russian athiest with a Jewish grandmother can go to the West Bank and move onto land that a Palestinian family had farmed for generations. It's a strange world, isn't it

I understand your point that you are making, so please don't say I don't. But Jews are looking for the lost tribes and its not for non jews to say they are wrong unless they prove it. I got caught in that one before.

But, anyway, if Isael won't take the expelled jews, then who will? Europe has already proved it won't support jews in the moment of crisis, only individuals will. Criticise that, oh, don't count the US, its in enough trouble for accepting jews and supporting them. 9/11.

(I have been drinking, so wait until I am sober and I will discuss this properly.

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