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| George W. Bush - how dumb is he? |
| Dumb like a rhino. You know, like something that just breathes a lot and wrecks stuff. Really, rhino dumb is like when you're too dumb to survive without the help of people who like rhinos. |
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| $#!+ dumb. Like when you're dumb as $#!+. |
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| Carson Daly dumb. Dumb as dirt, but through a bit of undeserved good fortune you come into a position of influence, except you're too dumb to seize the opportunity and maybe prove that you're not as dumb as people think, because you really are that dumb. |
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| He's not dumb. You are. But not as dumb as me. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
| Christ. It looks like I'm with Sundubuman. I don't think he's naturally stupid, I think he chooses stupidity. I also think he benefits hugely from reduced expectations due to this stupid act he puts on. |
How about the 53 million (?) people who voted for him? Are they choosing stupidity, too? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Apple Scruff wrote: |
| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
| Christ. It looks like I'm with Sundubuman. I don't think he's naturally stupid, I think he chooses stupidity. I also think he benefits hugely from reduced expectations due to this stupid act he puts on. |
How about the 53 million (?) people who voted for him? Are they choosing stupidity, too? |
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DRAMA OVERKILL
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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CRIPES! He's clearly an idiot, among other things... To sum it all up, in my opinion, he's just not the man for the job...
How can you watch him mumble, stumble, stutter and stagger his way through an unrehersed speech and think otherwise? |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| He's good at reading a teleprompter. The true measure of an American president since JFK. Reagan showed everyone how to turn it into an artform. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Blind Willie wrote: |
| Reagan showed everyone how to turn it into an artform. |
True enough. The only president's of the 20th century who compare on the charisma-meter are FDR and Clinton.
As to the stupidity charge, you show your own ignorance when you call him stupid. A stupid person doesn't learn how to fly a notoriously testy fighter jet. Of course, neither does that make him a genius, if anything I'd say he's just an average guy with a lack of eloquence.
And as much as I admire Clinton's skills (the man is a supremely gifted politician), as Kuros noted he lacked moral courage. That probably stems from the fact that Clinton was a career politician, and not especially ideological. He was a pragmatist, and his first interest was keeping his popularity up and not doing too much to rock the boat. That's not necessarily a bad thing, however it doesn't lend itself to the kind of risk taking that Bush has indulged in.
Love him or hate him, Bush has drastically altered the prism through how we judge international relations. A great many of us are quite pleased at just how hated our national policies are around the world, because frankly, you've got to consider the source. Your hatred and derision are signposts to me that we're doing the right thing. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
A great many of us are quite pleased at just how hated our national policies are around the world, because frankly, you've got to consider the source. Your hatred and derision are signposts to me that we're doing the right thing. |
 The Scorpio Theorem: The more a leader is hated and derided, the more he must be doing 'the right thing.'
And by applying the Scorpio Theorem we can see that Hitler and Stalin were doing 'the right thing' more than any other men in history. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:58 am Post subject: ... |
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To rebut Kuros,
I don't think moral courage is a sign of intelligence.
To rebut Hank,
A lot of truck drivers master the multi-gear operation of the "big rigs". That doesn't make them smart.
We've talked teleprompters. Let's talk press conferences. He avoids them like the plague. Why? Because he can't handle anything that's not pre-scripted. While trying to talk himself out of a wet paper bag, George is likely to find the tar-pit in the wet paper bag.
That's why he needed Cheney to hold his hand before the 9/11 commission.
And, when faced with questioning, he just gets mad. It's really like a football-player in high school.
Reporter: "Do you have an exit-strategy for Iraq? If so, what is the timetable? What do you have to say to all of the US soldiers being kept beyond the timetable they signed up for?"
Bush: "What? I oughtta kick your ass! One question ONLY!" |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
A great many of us are quite pleased at just how hated our national policies are around the world, because frankly, you've got to consider the source. Your hatred and derision are signposts to me that we're doing the right thing. |
The Scorpio Theorem: The more a leader is hated and derided, the more he must be doing 'the right thing.'
And by applying the Scorpio Theorem we can see that Hitler and Stalin were doing 'the right thing' more than any other men in history. |
Burnsauce! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
A great many of us are quite pleased at just how hated our national policies are around the world, because frankly, you've got to consider the source. Your hatred and derision are signposts to me that we're doing the right thing. |
The Scorpio Theorem: The more a leader is hated and derided, the more he must be doing 'the right thing.'
And by applying the Scorpio Theorem we can see that Hitler and Stalin were doing 'the right thing' more than any other men in history. |
didn't more countries side w/ the USSR during the cold war? |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
| As to the stupidity charge, you show your own ignorance when you call him stupid. A stupid person doesn't learn how to fly a notoriously testy fighter jet. |
If an idiot can get elected President of the United States, an idiot can fly a fighter jet.
| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
| And as much as I admire Clinton's skills (the man is a supremely gifted politician), as Kuros noted he lacked moral courage. |
His track record shows that moral courage is not necessarily a good thing. Morality is subjective. I'm not sure there are a large number of Iraqis applauding Bushy's morals.
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| That probably stems from the fact that Clinton was a career politician, and not especially ideological. He was a pragmatist.... |
Translation: he used common sense and had the ability to see any situation from many different perspectives.
| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
| ....and (Clinton's) first interest was keeping his popularity up and not doing too much to rock the boat. That's not necessarily a bad thing, however it doesn't lend itself to the kind of risk taking that Bush has indulged in. |
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| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
| Love him or hate him, Bush has drastically altered the prism through how we judge international relations. A great many of us are quite pleased at just how hated our national policies are around the world, because frankly, you've got to consider the source. Your hatred and derision are signposts to me that we're doing the right thing. |
This is quite possibly one of the most ignorant, self-defeating statements I've ever read, even for you, Hank. Gimme a break. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:59 am Post subject: |
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didn't more countries side w/ the USSR during the cold war? |
Correct, sir.
Popularity does not equal correctness. And for what it's worth, I think Europe has bigger problems of their own to correct before bitching about the US, so yeah, their kvetching means jacksquat to me. They've aligned themselves with the arab world against us, and have decided to go the route of demographic suicide and elegant decay. Good luck with that.
When people I believe to be dramatically, intractibly wrong disagree with me and dislike me, I just don't consider that worrisome. Europe has completely disregarded the lessons of history, namely that socialism is a dead end, yet we're supposed to listen to their wise counsel? I don't think so.
However, that's just speaking about Bush on an international level. If we were judging Bush solely by his domestic policy, I'd have to say he's a bust. Unless he gets private accounts into social security and does something about the southern border his domestic legacy will be pathetic. And speaking of immigration, we need to be more like Canada. They're actively brain draining the rest of the world, and going for the best and brightest. What I'd like to see is that every foreigner who comes to this country for secondary education has a green card stapled directly to their diploma. Likewise for those in the military, after your initial term of service, citizenship, period. No hoops, or any of the other BS we currently have going on. We want skilled folks, and our policies should reflect that.
Anyhow, I'm rambling. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
| As to the stupidity charge, you show your own ignorance when you call him stupid. A stupid person doesn't learn how to fly a notoriously testy fighter jet. Of course, neither does that make him a genius (...) |
The thing I heaqrd about that "testy" fighter jet is that it's performance was disreputable enough to make it highly unlikely to be used in 'Nam ... which is why he joined the Guard in the first place, isn't it?
All of which does not make him a genius or a buffoon but rather just a kid from a rich family who knows how to take advice from people smarter than him ... |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:12 am Post subject: ... |
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That's funny.
Most countries in Asia that I've lived in have some form of national healthcare.
Why pin it on Europe?
Are you trying to portray socialism as communism?
Do you get a big boner from paying medical insurance premiums?
Do you say, "Yeah, I love visiting you, Herr Doctor, and paying you 30 bucks even if nothing's wrong, as long I don't have to engage in SOCIALISM!"
Yuck. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
The thing I heaqrd about that "testy" fighter jet is that it's performance was disreputable enough to make it highly unlikely to be used in 'Nam ... which is why he joined the Guard in the first place, isn't it? |
As opposed to what? Clinton, who admitted to running off to Oxford and protesting? At least Bush put on a uniform (and knows how to salute, which humorously Clinton never learned how to do).
Was Bush some sort of war hero? Nope. Did he have strings pulled to get into the Guard and avoid Vietnam? Undoubtedly. What I question is why is this such a bombshell when your guy did even less?
Besides, if our sole criteria for electing people was war hero status, well, McCain, Dole, and Bush Sr. are all still available. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:23 am Post subject: ... |
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Was Bush some sort of war hero? Nope. Did he have strings pulled to get into the Guard and avoid Vietnam? Undoubtedly. What I question is why is this such a bombshell when your guy did even less?
Besides, if our sole criteria for electing people was war hero status, well, McCain, Dole, and Bush Sr. are all still available. |
Perhaps "my guy" opposed the war. Your guy, undoubtedly, supported the war but wanted nothing of it.
You missed Kerry in that last line. |
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