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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Poh*A*ng City
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: New Visa Laws |
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I know there are other threads about this.
I just came from Immigration because I'm in the process of getting my next E2, and while I was there I asked some probing questions about the new requirements. Thought I would share.
According to the officer that I spoke with, you will now need to present the following new documents to complete the process:
An HIV test
A drug test
A full medical physical
A criminal background check by your countries national police (i.e. the FBI)
These will be required as of December 15th.
Argue all you want about whether or not this will really happen, but if you're thinking about getting a new one soon... might want to start getting this shit together.
Oh, I forgot to ask the guy whether or not you need this if you are staying at the same job and just extending your E2 for another year.
Also forgot to ask what type of drug test they require (hair, piss, etc) |
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JungMin
Joined: 18 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon dude.....you forgot all the important stuff!! |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Poh*A*ng City
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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I know. Sorry.
Kind of hard to explain to my boss why I need those questions answered... but since my visa isn't going to require this shit... doesn't really matter to me. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ummm.......
From my understanding, isn't there an FBI field office in Seoul that is ran out of Yongsan or they might have a laison officer working out of the embassy? (I remember this because the day after that exchange student was murdered, I saw several Americans combing the hotel wearing those FBI jackets)
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I saw a sign at YongSan once that was along side the CID office on Main Post....
Could they process CRCs there instead of having to go through the expense of having it done back home?
If you guys want to inquire, the base operator number is 02-7913-1110 and see if there is indeed an FBI field office there..... |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: New Visa Laws |
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n3ptne wrote: |
According to the officer that I spoke with, you will now need to present the following new documents to complete the process:
An HIV test
A drug test
A full medical physical
A criminal background check by your countries national police (i.e. the FBI)
These will be required as of December 15th. |
I just came back from the Daejeon MoJ session a few minutes ago, and I had a few questions of my own:
Q: For people RENEWING their visas, what do they need?
A: Same as before, plus criminal check and medical check (and LOR if necessary)
Q: What kind of criminal check? National, provincial, or local?
A: I don't know. Right now there is no set specified regulation, so anything is acceptable for now.
Q: Many countries' criminal checks require 4-5 months to receive back. What happens to our renewal in February?
A: We will accept your visa on a provisional basis and you can submit the check when you get it.
Q: How often do we have to submit this criminal check? EVERY time we apply for a new visa?
A: No. Once you submit it once, that's all you do. After that we check your Korean record. We are Immigration, so it is our responsibility to keep track of your criminal record of Korea. That's our job, but we have no access to your home country, so you just have to give it to us once.
Q: Do we have to leave Korea to renew our visas?
A: No. Even if you are getting a new visa with a new school, we will not require you to leave Korea IF (a) you have the criminal/medicals checks and (b) you have completed at least 80% of your contract. If you have 80% minimum completed, then we will just transfer your visa to your new school, and you don't have to leave Korea (ie. no visa run)
Q: Do we still need to submit sealed transcripts?
A: You only need to submit them once. After that, you don't need to submit them again.
Q: What kinds of documents must be notarized/apostilled?
A: I don't know the regulation. Email me and I will get you that answer.
Q: For the medical check, can we have it done in Korea, or do we have to go back home to get it done?
A: You can have it done in Korea. You don't have to go back home. As long as you go to a government-run hospital for the check, you will be okay.
Q: What must we have checked by the doctor?
A: drugs and HIV.
I will email her and get more info on the apostille and the medical. |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Poh*A*ng City
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Q: Many countries' criminal checks require 4-5 months to receive back. What happens to our renewal in February?
A: We will accept your visa on a provisional basis and you can submit the check when you get it. |
This is exactly the opposite of what I was told. They said that you can't work until you have the criminal background check.
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Q: Do we have to leave Korea to renew our visas?
A: No. Even if you are getting a new visa with a new school, we will not require you to leave Korea IF (a) you have the criminal/medicals checks and (b) you have completed at least 80% of your contract. If you have 80% minimum completed, then we will just transfer your visa to your new school, and you don't have to leave Korea (ie. no visa run) |
I didn't ask this question, but find their answer very hard to believe. In just about every country on the planet, in order to get a new visa, you have to leave their territorial boundaries and then return. Not saying it isn't true, but I'm very skeptical about this point. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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n3ptne wrote: |
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Q: Many countries' criminal checks require 4-5 months to receive back. What happens to our renewal in February?
A: We will accept your visa on a provisional basis and you can submit the check when you get it. |
This is exactly the opposite of what I was told. They said that you can't work until you have the criminal background check.
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Q: Do we have to leave Korea to renew our visas?
A: No. Even if you are getting a new visa with a new school, we will not require you to leave Korea IF (a) you have the criminal/medicals checks and (b) you have completed at least 80% of your contract. If you have 80% minimum completed, then we will just transfer your visa to your new school, and you don't have to leave Korea (ie. no visa run) |
I didn't ask this question, but find their answer very hard to believe. In just about every country on the planet, in order to get a new visa, you have to leave their territorial boundaries and then return. Not saying it isn't true, but I'm very skeptical about this point. |
I specifically asked why these points had changed, and she said becase the regulations are so tough now, they are afraid that it will be very difficult for the necessary teachers to stay here. They don't want to have a teacher crisis, so they are making it more flexible for teachers already here. |
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jjk
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Location: Back in Australia for the time being
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Did you hear anything about the medical check for those not yet in Korea, as opposed to having to go home to get it. Will it be possible to have our doctor just give the drugs and HIV check, and then have it notarized (if they are going to be doing it)?
I would be interested in hearing anything else about the changes that came out of the meeting in Daejeon, as that is the Immigration office we will be dealing with in December, and as we know, different Immigration offices have a different interpretations of the rules~!
Thanks for what you have posted so far. |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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We will accept your visa on a provisional basis and you can submit the check when you get it. |
Yep, I'll get that to you when it arrives but I'll take the provisional on my visa renewal. 6 months later.....yep, should be here any day now. Gees, why is it taking so long....1 year later...Sorry guys, here you go.
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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jjk wrote: |
Did you hear anything about the medical check for those not yet in Korea, |
I asked nothing about people in that position. I specifically asked about people IN Korea already and what happens to us with the new regs.
I would assume from the way the woman spoke today, that no one will be given their visa back home unless they give their medical and police checks first. Those that are already here and have already received an E2 in the past will be given more flexibility.
Merlyn wrote: |
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We will accept your visa on a provisional basis and you can submit the check when you get it. |
Yep, I'll get that to you when it arrives but I'll take the provisional on my visa renewal. 6 months later.....yep, should be here any day now. Gees, why is it taking so long....1 year later...Sorry guys, here you go. |
By provisional, she meant that it is limited in time... if you take too long, oops, visa is taken away. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like they are getting more realistic in terms of the new rules for getting a visa. The background check is a pain, but maybe it won't be quite as bad as it did when they first announced the changes. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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The only real problem I see is that December 15th is unrealistically too soon for anyone applying for a visa in the next 2 months to be ready. Normally a major policy change requiring new processes that take time would go into effect 6 to 12 months after it was announced. This generally applies to everything of an official nature in government agency matters.
What's the other deal where they plan to make full use of the existing English teachers to cover the shortage these hastily implemented policies will cause? I saw this printed in a Korea Herald newspaper article about 2 weeks ago.
Since I am in Korea and applying for a job now to start in late February, could I go ahead and get my medical including the drug and HIV check at my local Korean hospital?
Are the big hospitals all government operated? Mine is Fatima in Changwon which a big, modern, and very new hospital.
As you can see, there are so many questions to be answered and I would suspect that no one reading this can answer my questions, yet. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Sojourner,
I agree, it would have been more realistic to wait and make the new rules applicable for visas starting March 1st. Then again, given it's the Korean Government you are dealing with it's not surprising. |
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fruitcake
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Location: shinchon
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: |
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all this is downright laughable. HIV check??? where on Earth does this fit in with the whole scheme of things?
I was plannin on one more year here, but if this is what it will take, forget it. Korea is NOT some paradise and there are better places to be. If your prospects are that bleak and you submit yourself to this crap, then your tough luck.
Enough is enough. Been here 6yrs, have only taught uni, have my MATESL degree, don't do drugs, no criminal record, and don't cause problems here. All this is just a slap in the face for those here legitimately.
By the way, those HIV tests aren't completely accurate, so prepare to be kicked out anyway after your false positive comes in.
I'll still wait and see what the verdict is and then what my school can do to keep me around (if anything). But no f-n way I'm doing any of this nonsense. Korea just ain't worth it...
Done stressing about this...
peace |
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