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How easy are uni jobs to come by, are they really that good?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, some professors do write a lot.

Professors Cheat to Maintain SCI Scores
A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it.

It has been ascertained that two professors of mechanical engineering at "A" University and materials at "B" University both identified as Lee organized a team with three other professors from different universities to have all their names placed as co-authors on any of their individual research papers being submitted to international academic journals to inflate their SCI.

A Professor Jeong at "C" University published some 20 international and 30 domestic papers during last year alone, an average of around one a week, while a professor Kang at "D" University aged more than 50, concluded a secret agreement with a newly appointed professor to have his name added to papers in exchange for hiring him as opposed to other candidates. Last year, Professor Han at "E" University who had failed to be promoted managed to do so after his name was appended to his student's paper.
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html

The Never Ending Corruption
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200212/200212170018.html

Low Marks Given for Corruption Fight
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200306/200306250009.html

Corruption scandals taint 7-month reign
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2003/10/11/200310110053.asp

Korea Slips to 50th in Anti-Corruption Ranks (October 7, 2003)
"The drop in the index shows that corruption cannot be solved through temporary measures, legislation of special laws, but must be tackled through consistent and long-term programs to rid corruptive practices in society and the public."
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200310/kt2003100717241410230.htm

Seoul National University hires its first foreign faculty
The officials said that the council of deans agreed to appoint Prof. Damien Anthony Mugavin, 55, an Australian native currently teaching at the National University of Singapore, to a position in the Department of Landscape Architecture.
Korea Herald
SNU Hires First Full-time Foreign Professor
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200105/200105270165.html
This story made big news two years ago. Why?
It only took until 2001 for Seoul National University to hire a full-time foreign professor. Foreign professors were not qualified before 2001, right?

Discrimination
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200212/200212250002.html

Tenure Protects Academic Freedom, Essential to Democratic Society
http://www.caut.ca/english/bulletin/2003_apr/president.asp

Academic Freedom and Tenure
Tenure is a means to certain ends; specifically: (1) freedom of teaching and research and of extramural activities, and (2) a sufficient degree of economic security to make the profession attractive to men and women of ability. Freedom and economic security, hence, tenure, are indispensable to the success of an institution in fulfilling its obligations to its students and to society.

Northwestern University adheres to the principles of the American Association of University Professors (AAUP) regarding the de facto grant of tenure. Tenure . . . is acquired de facto in the seventh year of a faculty member's full-time service in the tenure-accumulating ranks, unless the faculty member receives notice during the sixth year that the seventh year of employment will be "terminal." Tenure de facto is automatic. It is conferred without a tenure review solely by reason of the faculty member's appointment.

The U.S. Supreme Court in Perry v. Sindermann recognized that "[a] teacher . . . who has held his position for a number of years, might be able to show from the circumstances of this service--and from other relevant facts--that he has a legitimate claim of entitlement to job tenure." 408 U.S. 593, 602 (1972).
http://www.aaup.org
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord wrote:
Real Reality wrote:
Foreign professors tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure.They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.

According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html


You continually bring this up but continually fail to mention qualifications. Most foreigners working in Korean universities haven't reached the academic level required to be considered for tenue while Korean scholars working abroad have met the academic requirements needed to qualify for tenure in universities outside of Korea.


Gord is right...QUALIFICATIONS, or the lack of is one reason why we are not treated like other university professors in Korea (tenure, payrate)...

Real Reality should get a PH'D in Applied Linguistics first... I'm sure conditions would improve for him...
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul National University hires its first foreign faculty
The officials said that the council of deans agreed to appoint Prof. Damien Anthony Mugavin, 55, an Australian native currently teaching at the National University of Singapore, to a position in the Department of Landscape Architecture. (from Korea Herald)
SNU Hires First Full-time Foreign Professor
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200105/200105270165.html

Arthur Fonzerelli,

This story made big news two years ago. Why?
In 2001, Seoul National University hired a full-time foreign professor. Foreign professors were not qualified before 2001, right? Foreign professors received "QUALIFICATIONS" in 2001, right? Before 2001, all foreign professors were not qualified, right? How important are "QUALIFICATIONS" for foreign professors?

According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Bugs, and BTM, you've nailed it. This uni gig (I suppose that the one I'm at would be considered second-tier) is quite a satisfactory situation. Decent pay, not huge, decent hours, fine accommodation, and the vacation time is good enough. And my M.Ed. wouldn't get me through the uni door in my own country, but having paid the necessary hagwon dues, I'm happy enough to show up each day and deliver the goods. And while I'm reluctant to get personal on this board (I usually eschew the ones who do), Real Reality, you are clearly bitter and jaded, and in serious need of a vacation. No, it doesn't work here as it does back home. So suck it up, and get on with the mandate that you've agreed to.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:
Gord wrote:
Real Reality wrote:
Foreign professors tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure.They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.

According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html


You continually bring this up but continually fail to mention qualifications. Most foreigners working in Korean universities haven't reached the academic level required to be considered for tenue while Korean scholars working abroad have met the academic requirements needed to qualify for tenure in universities outside of Korea.


Gord is right...QUALIFICATIONS, or the lack of is one reason why we are not treated like other university professors in Korea (tenure, payrate)...

Real Reality should get a PH'D in Applied Linguistics first... I'm sure conditions would improve for him...


That probably will not improve his conditions here in Korea. As I stated earlier in this thread, most Universities in Korea will NOT hire a PhD. Or else, as has happened to me twice, they will hire a PhD if you keep it a secret that you have one Evil or Very Mad .
Of course my current University is an exception Smile . They hired me, and did not require me to keep my PhD a secret. However, during the interview I was told that there was a possibility that my having a PhD would disqualify me Rolling Eyes But it did not.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF?

No Ph.D = No Job?

Why?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TECO wrote:
WTF?

No Ph.D = No Job?

Why?

I think you misunderstood the post. It looks like having a PH.d would disqualify him from the job. i.e. strangely enough not having one would make him more qualified.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimcheeking wrote:
TECO wrote:
WTF?

No Ph.D = No Job?

Why?

I think you misunderstood the post. It looks like having a PH.d would disqualify him from the job. i.e. strangely enough not having one would make him more qualified.


That's right. Yes PhD (often) = No Job.
In my 5 years of experience, most Korean Universities want an MA. No higher, no lower
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TECO



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the reasons given for the universities not wanting people with PhD degrees?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've heard plenty of bad things about korean professors, and not much good, I'm sorry to say (not just being negative again).
I know a researcher who came over here hired by a university, and completed some fine information/data gathering, and produced a paper on his topic, over the course of a year.
He had problems getting paid on time, and then at all. His paper was later published under the name of a Korean professor, while he was put out into the cold and suddenly found that some high level people in his field tried to have his work visa cancelled behind his back, when he started making a fuss.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps, rapier and Kwangjuchicken understand reality in Korea.
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too want to know the real reason why you should hide the fact that you have a PhD if you come to teach here. Are Koreans worried about losing face to a more credentialed foreigner? Do they (impossibly) not understand what having one is about?
What's the problem???
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they want to avoid the situation where a foreigner with the same credentials demands equal pay, or even tenure. That's my theory. But let's hear what the chicken has to say..
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's probably the reason, Lemon.
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katydid



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Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TECO wrote:
That's probably the reason, Lemon.


Stupid reason, but makes sense....
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