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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lawrence,

You mean the asian players are ruining the tour because they are a bit aloof and distant.
In that case Barry Bonds should be ousted from MLB as he regularly insults fans, reporters and others and is colder than a dead fish.

Also, you should have checked your facts, they (asian golfers) DO give to charity. Pak Se ri for example, does so more then generously in partnership with her sponsor Samsung.

Also, like posco pointed out, Stepheson's raising of the shields for the LPGA just might have to do with the fact that these asian golfers are mopping the fairway with her....
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Lakeheader



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:22 am    Post subject: Jan who? Reply with quote

At least someone listed the standings so that one would know who the hell Jan Stephenson is (is not). She isn't even in the top 100!!
If the 'Asian players' just want to do their job and go home that is there business. Perhaps they just want to be the best golfer they can be and are not all too concerned about gaining Nike sponsership. They may just love the game more than the business, so be it.
Does anyone think Ms. Stephenson would have increased tolerance if the Asian players were more popular with the press? I'm guessing the crank would be even more bitter.
My second guess is that she might now be jelous that they can handle their drinking a little better than she can. I can't believe she has the nerve to speak about how someone should handle P.R. She must have spent the afternoon in the lounge with Daley before this interview.
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FierceInvalid



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid thing to say, no doubt. I can see where it came from, though. A friend of mine once met Pak Se Ri while working at an LPGA event in Canada, and described her as by far the most rude/dismissive/least personable player he met, and he met a bunch. He's hated her ever since (in that "hate" reserved for celebrities kind of way).

Now, an athlete has no more responsibility to be charasmatic than to give to charity (In my mind much less, since I believe that they do have a responsibility to give, but thats another topic), but I can certainly see how it would help the tour if they were. I've never liked stone-faced drone athletes, even if they were good - Seve Ballesteros and Duval are two that I can think of just from golf. Truth is, if the best players have marketable personalities then it is good for the whole organization. Modern sports are a televised business, and the league/tour has to sell an image that people will watch, ie buy. Being good isn't enough on it's own, especially for something like the LPGA which already struggles with the fact that it doesn't have the highest talent level out there for its game. If viewers consistently find the leaders in tournaments uninteresting, they won't watch as much, and prize money will decrease.

The only mistake this player made in her comments that I can see is that she labelled only the Asian players as being the boring ones. Surely this isn't the case.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

funny how the one guy guessed the hockey team being talked about was ottawa. I thought it might be the canucks and pavel bure.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoultrader wrote:
Gord wrote:
Holy cow! No one tell Tiger Woods that she said Asians are screwing everything up in the world of Golf as he'll rock the peep show over her ass.


It's odd in a way, but I really get the impression that most people just think of Woods as black. He also kind of projects that image, be it for commercial reasons or whatever. Not that it's a big deal...actually I guess most mixes tend to gravitate towards one side.


I remember being in Thailand a few years ago when Tiger Woods visited for some promotional event. There was a huge mass of Thais at the airport with signs saying things like "Welcome Home Tiger". Anyhow he gets off the plane does a press conference at the hotel and one of the very first things he says is that he's not Thai he's American and he doesn't understand why Thais think of him as being one of them.
He created this massive shit storm. Seriously if he had've walked out onto the street after that was televised he would have gotten himself lynched.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Lawrence,

Also, you should have checked your facts, they (asian golfers) DO give to charity. Pak Se ri for example, does so more then generously in partnership with her sponsor Samsung.
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And we all know how much Charity Samsung give out to North Korea. Where's Anda????
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Dan



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point that was neglected from the article, is that women's golf is more popular than ever, and the cash prizes for tournaments is constantly going up and up.

so maybe this person's assessment of the LPGA isn't on target.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Stephenson's stats really are so pathetic, I'm amused that she thought she'd be able to make her comments without someone throwing the "sour grapes" thing at her.

I'm not a sports fan, but I've always found it strange that people who are get so worked up about players not having likable personalities or being good role models. You think they'd just be able to watch the games, enjoy the display of skill, and leave it at that.

Is the average sports enthusiast REALLY so devoid of meaningful relationships in his lfe that he must derive emotional sustenance from people he's never met and almost certainly never will?
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

women's golf is more popular than ever? Perhaps globally, but in the USA? I don't know about that one. The women used to make more money than the Seniors, no longer the case. Seniors also get better tv coverage than the women do thse days. 20-25 years ago that wasn't the case.

And derrek, I think you're confusing Samsung with Hyundai. Samsung's chairman was adament that he'd never give a dime to North Korea unless he saw where the money was going. Fat chance that'd ever happen with Kim Jong-Il.
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makushi



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure what is worse..people who post about people with REAL lives ....or people with REAL lives that are ridicously rigid,boring, and cold...LOSERS!
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
funny how the one guy guessed the hockey team being talked about was ottawa. I thought it might be the canucks and pavel bure.


My pick was also Bure.


Got to love Trevor Kidd
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Dan



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
women's golf is more popular than ever? Perhaps globally, but in the USA? I don't know about that one. The women used to make more money than the Seniors, no longer the case. Seniors also get better tv coverage than the women do thse days. 20-25 years ago that wasn't the case.


actually Bucheon, I'm just rewording what was said in an article about the Australian player.

and an interesting response to the statements:
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Let's look at some of what Stephenson said.


"Their lack of emotion."


Any generalization is intellectually suspect. Grace Park, for example, is a Korean who lacks anything but emotion. Annika Sorenstam, a Swede, was painfully reserved early in her career. And many a stoic personality has captured the imagination of sports fans: Björn Borg and Ben Hogan come to mind.


"Their refusal to speak English when they can speak English."


Most athletes who lack a full command of the language prefer to speak in their native tongue so as not to be misunderstood or made to look foolish. Certainly the use of translators has not hurt the popularity of Ichiro Suzuki or Hideki Matsui in baseball.


"They rarely speak. We have two-day pro-ams where people are paying a lot of money to play with us, and they say, 'Hello and goodbye.' "


I have been around pro-ams on both the men's and women's tour for many years and the phenomenon of professionals acting as if their amateur playing partners do not exist has nothing to do with nationality or gender. Rudeness is not the exclusive property of any single group of people. It is a characteristic of individuals not nationalities.


"Our tour is predominately international and the majority of them are Asian. They've taken it over."


Yes, the LPGA is an international tour. That is one of its strengths. Stephenson, who is Australian, should know that better than anyone. To say that the majority of the players are Asian displays the distorted vision of those looking at the world as black or white -- or yellow and white. There are, in fact, only 17 Koreans on the LPGA and a handful of Japanese, Taiwanese and Filipinos. The vast majority of the LPGA is from the United States and Europe.

Change is never easy is to accept, especially when you are a 51-year-old player who last won an LPGA event in 1987. It is when trying to handle those frustrations life throws at us that people can react with flawed thinking, or worse: Blaming others because they are not like you. The LPGA remains the most successful professional women's sports organization of all time. Koreans have been an important part of the recent growth of the game. Their presence should be celebrated, not berated.

Ron Sirak is the Executive Editor of Golf World magazine

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Mosley



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:06 pm    Post subject: "one guy" to two other guys.... Reply with quote

Good point about Bure and his former team. How about it casinoman? Tell us what team you were talking about.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
[quote]funny how the one guy guessed the hockey team being talked about was ottawa. I thought it might be the canucks and pavel bure.
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Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Nice call for those that picked Bure. I wasn't thinking of Yashin. Besides how long have the (new) Senators been back in the league anyway? He is the Canuck's first (and still only) 50 goal/season scorer (actually I remember hearing some stat that he is one of only 9 players to have had back to back 60+ goal seasons). Mind you, in the early '90s everyone was poppin them in (ie. Brett Hull with 86 goals, Great One's 212 pts, etc) and where the f*%! was he in game 7 '94 Stanley Cup. Anyways despite the guys talent, this guy had the personality of a pair of wool socks. I think he only got one endorsement deal while in Vancouver. Compare this to Mogilny when interviewed at the airport after getting traded to win the Cup in NJ:

(ok, based on the top of my head and paraphrasing here)

Paul Carson (Sports Page): So did you like (or enjoy) your time in Vancouver?
Mogilny: Sure, what's not to like? It's a beautiful city, great fans. I only wish we had more success on the ice. (During this time despite having the leagues 2nd highest payroll the team missed the playoffs for 5 or 6 years).

That interview gave me a newfound respect for the guy because it showed his professionalism (and class). My basis of comparison is the "babylike" attitude of Bure when departing Vancouver.
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