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Lawrence



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:03 pm    Post subject: Asians killing LPGA Reply with quote

Jan Stephenson, former tour professional and very attractive, intelligent
Australian, speaking for many other current women players and observers, said.. " This is probably going to get me in trouble, but the
Asians (Koreans) are killing our tour. Absolutely killing it. Their lack of
emotion, refusal to speak English when they speak English. We have two
day pro-ams (social events) where people are paying a lot of money to play with us, and (all) they say is "hello and goodbye."

She had to apologize later, PC being what it is in 2003. But she is
right on the money. The Korean golfers (Pak se ri, Grace Park, Han hee won, et al) are automotons, dry, lifeless boreasses. In addition to
Jan's comments, others have cited their refusal to donate to local charities
and the rude behavior of their parents and "handlers." Another
black eye for Koreans in the U.S.
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Seoultrader



Joined: 18 Jun 2003
Location: Ali's Insurgent Inn, Fallujah

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's certainly a degree of truth to her rather poorly phrased comments, but I'll have to strongly disagree with your "refusal to donate to charities" comment for a couple of reasons.

First, donating something, be it money or time, is not be something that people should automatically expect of someone with money. Some do, some don't. It's not a character trait.

Second, (I don't have any sources on hand but I recall some news broadcasts last year) Pak Se-ri as well as Grace actually have done some charity work in Korea.

Behavior - kind of off-tangent, but N.A. professional sports in general are becoming increasingly comedic in that respect. Druggies, rapists (ok ok..."alleged"), mass brawls...the 72-year-old Yankee "handler" charging the mound yesterday was hilarious if it wasn't so sad.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though I promised myself not to insult the intellegence of the rest of the posters here by pointing out the obvious to them...

[color=blue]~Edited by waterbaby~[/color]
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Coffeecup



Joined: 30 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kinda sorta know what this is about. As one example, I had a Chinese (HK) girlfriend for awhile, she was a geeky glasses-wearing phd in pharmaceuticals and worked high up in a major drug corp. She might have been an alright person privately, but she made it apparent that for her America and the American system was almost exclusively her stomping ground, like it wasn't a country with people who had feelings and culture but was just a ladder where she had to prove herself. In the situation of when finally a white women in her field took control of her department and likewise edged my ex-gf out (who later went to another company) through tact and leadership, my ex-gf spoke completely that the co-worker was just "political" and made it appear that she was simply a "victim" and end of case. It does seem that many of these accomplished types come over to America but don't actually think there are "ways" of doing things and there are people who need to be respected. That appears they simply think that America is their ladder to be used. And actually in the particularly political fields the situation is getting much worse.
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weatherman



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will only say that is was a damn stupid thing to say, even if there is a kernal of truth to it all. But now that the cat is out of the bag.... I can imagine the Korean players being all aloof to the media, after all they, the meida, are foriegners from thier perspective and Korean players really don't want to be apart of anything foreign. Again it is a lack of social skills on their part, and to turn the tables, some xenophobic behavior still.

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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when in rome..... especially being a professional sports person...high profile, they need to act appropriately in the country they are in....
good for me being here.... I can fart and burp at the dinner table, spit where I please, get so drunk I can pass out on the street with no police interference, run red lights.......... its all good Razz
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the original post humorous. Lets learn about the other comments from this golf role model from the same interview:

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=1635065

Quote:
"Stephenson also said that sex appeal helps men's golf -- and should help the women's game.

We have to promote sex appeal. It's a fact of life. The people who watch are predominantly male, and they won't keep watching if the girls aren't beautiful. That's not just the LPGA Tour, either. In Australia the highest-rated television event is the women's surf championship. Why is that?"
...
The women are not the best athletes -- the men are. Whether we like it or not, we have to promote sex, because sex sells. I think you have to shock."


Yeah, she sounds like the kind of person who shold be lecturing fellow golfers about integrity. Kind of like using Anna Kournikova as a spokesperson to give women's tennis respect. What happened to playing the damn game?

Anyway, she issued an apology, though like most sports apologies it has more to do with negative publicity than honest feelings.
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casinoman



Joined: 12 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that one has to take a look at this from the female golfer's point of view. Think about the kind of media frenzy that goes on and the way the women were brought up. To make a comparison, my hockey team in Canada once had an exceptionally gifted Russian hockey player. He was the best player my team has EVER had in terms of number of goals scored. The only problem was that his media handling skills sucked. Hockey players at home (especially in Canadian cities) are role models. This guy would wouldn't give after game interviews (or at least be very rude about them) and he would not sign autographs for kids who attended practices or waited at games (he would often just get in his Mercedes or Ferrari and drive off). Compare this to some of the Canadian players on my team who would give interviews even after a poorly played game. These players were also very good to the community and would often visit sick children who were dying in hospitals, etc. This Russian guy would do none of that and it became a problem. He was eventually let go due to contract issues and even though he is still well paid for his skills, his endorsements are virtually nil. So these Korean players just may need some advice on their media handling skills.
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Mosley



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're a Senators fan, then, I take it?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mention giving to the community.
Did you see the post about Koreans giving?
Link
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=10771

Lawrence wrote,
"their refusal to donate to local charities"
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Gord



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy cow! No one tell Tiger Woods that she said Asians are screwing everything up in the world of Golf as he'll rock the peep show over her ass.
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Seoultrader



Joined: 18 Jun 2003
Location: Ali's Insurgent Inn, Fallujah

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord wrote:
Holy cow! No one tell Tiger Woods that she said Asians are screwing everything up in the world of Golf as he'll rock the peep show over her ass.


It's odd in a way, but I really get the impression that most people just think of Woods as black. He also kind of projects that image, be it for commercial reasons or whatever. Not that it's a big deal...actually I guess most mixes tend to gravitate towards one side.
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casinoman



Joined: 12 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Quote:
You mention giving to the community.
Did you see the post about Koreans giving?


Yes I did read that thread. I was just trying to point out that the media can be an overbearing presence that can invade one's personal space. Some Canadian hockey players realize that they are role models to certain people and take some of their personal time to visit dying kids in hospitals who either have a wish to see them or look up to them. As for your mention of not "donating to charities," I personally doubt that many professional athletes actually donate money out of their salaries. Usually what they do is allow the use of their name or endorse a charity. Or they may actually do an endorsement for a commercial product/service and then donate the proceeds to a charity. Do you think they do this purely out of the generosity of their heart? Or do you think that tax benefits may be involved? The reason why Canada may have a higher per capita donation rate may be because the Canadian government provides some pretty generous tax benefits for doing so. So what is your point by the way RR? Is it to try and point out that Koreans may be uncaring, cheap or what? Do you even know if the Korean tax authorities provide tax benefits for charitable donations? What do you think would happen if Canada stopped giving any tax benefits for charitable donations? Sorry to get off topic here but now I can see how flame wars start.
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indiercj



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. interesting thread.

How about ESL teachers. Shouldn't you be considered as "role models" in Korean society as long as you teach kids(i guess you wouldn't consider youself as a mere "english instructing device" right?)? How about expat teachers refusing to learn Koean language, show respect to Korean people and it's community? Should they be blamed too?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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