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flutieflakes



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:04 am    Post subject: About time someone said this..... Reply with quote

[Seoul Searcher]We can't have it both ways


I feel uneasy talking about baseball two weeks in a row, but I have to take the risk of boring some readers by taking up another incident involving a Korean baseball player, this time in the major leagues. Kim Byung-hyun, a relief pitcher of the Boston Red Sox, became engulfed in a controversy last week after he showed his middle finger to the fans at Fenway Park who booed him when he was introduced before a game against the Oakland A's.
*edit - see the full Korea Herald column here - Lemon
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kylehawkins2000



Joined: 08 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you catch the newspaper with the huge yellow bold headline " F - You" (spelled out in all it's four letter glory) with a pic of BK waving his finger in the air?

What a loser. He is a choke artist. He deserved the boos. A real man would answer his critics by pitching a good game.....not by insulting the people that make him rich....
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whatthefunk



Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Location: Dont have a clue

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not surprising considering he comes from a country were nobody has any idea how offensive it is to say this to someone out of jest.
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indiercj



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can't have it both ways? Why not?

BK is someone who voluntarily move to another country to earn his living. He has all the duty to respect the people there and his childish behavior has every reason to be criticized. No doubt. But what the hell that case has to do with the majority of Koreans living in Korea feeling some malaise with the actual US-Korean relationship? Jumping right on what Koreans should do this and that without analyzing why they feel like say.. "anti-american" is just BS.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But what the hell that case has to do with the majority of Koreans living in Korea feeling some malaise with the actual US-Korean relationship? Jumping right on what Koreans should do this and that without analyzing why they feel like say.. "anti-american" is just BS.

What thread did you read before posting that? It clearly wasn't this one. No one hear mentioned anything about this phenomenon.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you have to read the link. it is located at the bottom of the original post in very tiny letters.

you can have it both ways, but if you do you seem like an ungrateful little sh*t.
the conection the author makes is a little tenuious but he raises some good points.
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posco's trumpet



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Drakoi



Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
baseball
by Ron Smith
The Sporting News
Fans bellowed their dissatisfaction as Ted Williams left the field between innings. He fired back an obscene gesture that he emphatically repeated two more times. He issued a public apology the next day, but his deed could not be undone.

football
By ANTONYA ENGLISH, Times wires
St. Petersburg Times
published January 21, 2003

SHOCKEY FINED: Giants rookie Jeremy Shockey was fined $10,000 for throwing a cup of ice into the stands and making an obscene gesture during a first-round playoff loss at San Francisco. The league docked the All-Pro tight end $5,000 for each act. The rookie threw the cup over his shoulder while being heckled by fans after he complained about officiating. The cup hit two children seated behind the Giants bench.

NFL fines Bears LB Cox for obscene gesture; no suspension
Posted: October 10, 1996
at 6:23 p.m. EDT
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chicago Bears linebacker Bryan Cox avoided a suspension, but was
fined by the National Football League today for making an
obscene gesture during Sunday's 37-6 home loss to Green Bay.

Cox repeatedly made an obscene gesture at field judge Bill Smith
and shouted obscenities at him after Cox was penalized for
unsportsmanlike conduct for throwing his helmet to the ground
before a Packers' extra-point attempt at the end of the first
half.

hockey
by Jamey Codding
Sunday, January 27, 2002

...and New York Rangers forward Theo Fleury was fined $1,000 for making an obscene gesture at the conclusion of a recent game with the Islanders.

soccer
Tuesday, June 13, 2000
UEFA : no action against Beckham over obscene gesture

EINDHOVEN, Netherlands (AP) -- David Beckham will not be punished by Europe's governing soccer body for his obscene gesture at taunting fans after England's loss to Portugal.

basketball
Thomas caught doing the dirty bird
Forward fined $5,000 for gesture at fans
By MICHAEL HUNT and DALE HOFMANN
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: May 1, 2001
Orlando - Tim Thomas admits it. He flipped off the Orlando crowd during Game 3 Saturday night.

Kidd says gesture was for heckler's remarks
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Associated Press
PORTLAND, Ore. -- New Jersey Nets guard Jason Kidd said his obscene gesture following Wednesday night's loss in Phoenix wasn't directed at the Suns' crowd but toward one fan who taunted him.


Wait, I'm confused, I thought this was just a Korean thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
f*cking myoptic hypocrites.

Well maybe it's just an athlete thing.
or not:

Quote:
Spears says obscene finger gesture not meant for fans
July 29 2002


Spears. Photo: AFP

Pop star Britney Spears says she was only reacting to intrusive photographers and camera crews when she made an obscene gesture shortly after arriving in Mexico.

Spears was seen extending her middle finger in the gesture as she left the airport in Toluca, near Mexico City.
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Mr. Kalgukshi



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:01 pm    Post subject: Certain Reply with quote

At the same time, Korean fans would have been just as forgiving of an American tossing them the finger in one of their major sports stadiums. Rolling Eyes

Nor would it have made the headlines. Wink
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helly



Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: WORLDWIDE

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey kylehawkins, any chance you can post a link or a picture to the
F UC K You newspaper pick you mentioned?
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: DC area

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drakoi wrote:
Quote:
baseball
by Ron Smith
The Sporting News
Fans bellowed their dissatisfaction as Ted Williams left the field between innings. He fired back an obscene gesture that he emphatically repeated two more times. He issued a public apology the next day, but his deed could not be undone.

football
By ANTONYA ENGLISH, Times wires
St. Petersburg Times
published January 21, 2003

SHOCKEY FINED: Giants rookie Jeremy Shockey was fined $10,000 for throwing a cup of ice into the stands and making an obscene gesture during a first-round playoff loss at San Francisco. The league docked the All-Pro tight end $5,000 for each act. The rookie threw the cup over his shoulder while being heckled by fans after he complained about officiating. The cup hit two children seated behind the Giants bench.

NFL fines Bears LB Cox for obscene gesture; no suspension
Posted: October 10, 1996
at 6:23 p.m. EDT
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chicago Bears linebacker Bryan Cox avoided a suspension, but was
fined by the National Football League today for making an
obscene gesture during Sunday's 37-6 home loss to Green Bay.

Cox repeatedly made an obscene gesture at field judge Bill Smith
and shouted obscenities at him after Cox was penalized for
unsportsmanlike conduct for throwing his helmet to the ground
before a Packers' extra-point attempt at the end of the first
half.

hockey
by Jamey Codding
Sunday, January 27, 2002

...and New York Rangers forward Theo Fleury was fined $1,000 for making an obscene gesture at the conclusion of a recent game with the Islanders.

soccer
Tuesday, June 13, 2000
UEFA : no action against Beckham over obscene gesture

EINDHOVEN, Netherlands (AP) -- David Beckham will not be punished by Europe's governing soccer body for his obscene gesture at taunting fans after England's loss to Portugal.

basketball
Thomas caught doing the dirty bird
Forward fined $5,000 for gesture at fans
By MICHAEL HUNT and DALE HOFMANN
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: May 1, 2001
Orlando - Tim Thomas admits it. He flipped off the Orlando crowd during Game 3 Saturday night.

Kidd says gesture was for heckler's remarks
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Associated Press
PORTLAND, Ore. -- New Jersey Nets guard Jason Kidd said his obscene gesture following Wednesday night's loss in Phoenix wasn't directed at the Suns' crowd but toward one fan who taunted him.


Wait, I'm confused, I thought this was just a Korean thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
f*cking myoptic hypocrites.

Well maybe it's just an athlete thing.
or not:

Quote:
Spears says obscene finger gesture not meant for fans
July 29 2002


Spears. Photo: AFP

Pop star Britney Spears says she was only reacting to intrusive photographers and camera crews when she made an obscene gesture shortly after arriving in Mexico.

Spears was seen extending her middle finger in the gesture as she left the airport in Toluca, near Mexico City.


Hey smart one, did you not notice that they were all fined? Well besides Spears. How they were all ripped in the media? Its not like they "got away" with it or weren't criticized for it.

And unlike Kim, most of them did it in the heat of the moment, not some pregame introduction. Not justifying what they did, just pointing out the slight difference.
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Certain Reply with quote

Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:
At the same time, Korean fans would have been just as forgiving of an American tossing them the finger in one of their major sports stadiums. Rolling Eyes

Nor would it have made the headlines. Wink


Lee chun soo actually flipped off the crowd here during a soccer match, and he got a pretty severe penalty over that.... he was suspended for at least 4 games from what I can remember....it was a pretty big incident, and he lost major respect over it
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-and to think it all began in the hakwon, where he learned to say "f**k you" and other things, thinking it was the funny way waygooks joked with eachother....
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Mr. Kalgukshi



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Location: FSU 13-0 -- Go 'Noles! 2014 BCS Bowl Champions

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: Certain Reply with quote

komtengi wrote:
Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:
At the same time, Korean fans would have been just as forgiving of an American tossing them the finger in one of their major sports stadiums. Rolling Eyes

Nor would it have made the headlines. Wink


Lee chun soo actually flipped off the crowd here during a soccer match, and he got a pretty severe penalty over that.... he was suspended for at least 4 games from what I can remember....it was a pretty big incident, and he lost major respect over it


_________________________

I believe Lee Chun Soo is Korean.

Might we assume the reaction would have been a little more intense had it been an American doing the same thing to a Korean sports crowd?
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
and to think it all began in the hakwon, where he learned to say "f**k you" and other things, thinking it was the funny way waygooks joked with eachother....


But, in fact, it IS, in some contexts, a funny way that waygooks joke with each other.
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